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Other than Froome himself?willbick said:is there anything more ridiculous than contador fans casting aspertions about froome?
Nope
Other than Froome himself?willbick said:is there anything more ridiculous than contador fans casting aspertions about froome?
That stage win in T-A was just stunning. I don't see this gilbert doing it.El Pistolero said:He wasn't really that great in 2011 in this part of the season.
He won a stage in Algarve, which is no big deal and he also won Strade Bianche(only narrowly) which he didn't ride this year.
Brabantse Pijl is when Phil 2011 became really impressive.
Valverde, nah he's the least of my worries of being in someone's way. I'm more concerned about the Astana team.![]()
And a 240km long medium mountain stage in T/A and a top-10 spot in the final GC.El Pistolero said:He won a stage in Algarve, which is no big deal and he also won Strade Bianche(only narrowly) which he didn't ride this year.
Meh, he was getting beaten on all other stages. It was a stunning stage, but narrowly outsprinting Wout Poels isn't a super amazing achievement or something.Miburo said:That stage win in T-A was just stunning. I don't see this gilbert doing it.
Gilbert had to abadon Paris-Nice in 2009 because he was bad.rghysens said:And a 240km long medium mountain stage in T/A and a top-10 spot in the final GC.
In 2011 Gilbert was wáy better than he is now (or than he ever will be again, I think). I consider Gilbert to be on his 2009 level.
hillarious to suggest gobernacion antioquia only doped sevilla and not Henao or any other colombian.Ryo Hazuki said:whiper behind their backs? lol. I often go there to have a good laugh and throw around my arguments there, besides the clinic is changing rapidly in having the idiots like the hog being exposed for what they are. and for arguments explain to me why sky are still doped and de jongh and julich were fired after signing that contract, you honeslty think they would;'ve signed that contract if they were still doping in sky?also hilarious to suggest they only dope froome, wiggins, rogers, david lopez(?), cataldo(?) and porte(?), why not henao, uran, knees, cavendish(last year), boasson hagen? your logic(and most of the clinics) who aren't riding super for their doing at all.
Are you degrading a performance of Gilbert?El Pistolero said:Meh, he was getting beaten on all other stages. It was a stunning stage, but narrowly outsprinting Wout Poels isn't a super amazing achievement or something.
Yeah, the unbeatable Phil of 2011 started at the Brabantse Pijl. Before that, he won races narrowly.Miburo said:Are you degrading a performance of Gilbert?![]()
in a sprint it definitely is. chavanel isn't exactly very fastEl Pistolero said:Underestimate Chavanel at your own peril.
Phil was faster than Chava, just had to sprint from too far out. No shame in losing to Chava anyway, one of the better classic riders of the moment.
Unfortunately this forum is rapidly become populated with a lot of people who've clearly only watched the sport for 12-18 months, but are suddenly experts.El Pistolero said:Nibali was known as a really talented cyclist right from the bat. I still remember GP de Plouay and the Eneco Tour of 2006. He was 21 years old back then.
gobernacion antioquia didn't dope anyone, sevilla doped himself, why do you think he was the only rider caught at the end of the vuelta?The Hitch said:hillarious to suggest gobernacion antioquia only doped sevilla and not Henao or any other colombian.
exactly. especially influx of british here. they don't understand anything quite clearly and think they really rule cycling.will10 said:Unfortunately this forum is rapidly become populated with a lot of people who've clearly only watched the sport for 12-18 months, but are suddenly experts.
Context is everything when it comes to judging a rider's "normal" or "abnormal" career progression, and unfortunately if a fan has been following the sport for 12 months, and Froome has been a big hitter for the whole time these certain posters have been watching bike races, they aren't going to be asking where the f*ck he came from.
Anyway getting sidetracked - I too remember Nibali as a big talent even back in his Fassa Bortolo days.
only out of pure desperation to defend a completely out of shape gilbert right now. I don't think anyone here will agree with calimero that gilbert looked good in p-n...Miburo said:Are you degrading a performance of Gilbert?![]()
He looked like Boonen. Very bad, but trying to get better.Ryo Hazuki said:only out of pure desperation to defend a completely out of shape gilbert right now. I don't think anyone here will agree with calimero that gilbert looked good in p-n...
Eh, Boonen never finished in a front group, Phil finished in all the front groups except when he had a flat tire and on Montagne de Lure.Netserk said:He looked like Boonen. Very bad, but trying to get better.
He won 3, that's pretty goodEl Pistolero said:Yeah, the unbeatable Phil of 2011 started at the Brabantse Pijl. Before that, he won races narrowly.
More because of Sagan than Phil's own form.Miburo said:He won 3, that's pretty goodHe could have won RVV and also MSR.
I doubt this phil will come even close to that.
Gilbert is a hilly rider. Boonen isn't.El Pistolero said:Eh, Boonen never finished in a front group, Phil finished in all the front groups except when he had a flat tire and on Montagne de Lure.
Phil didn't look bad, was a domestique for most of the week.Netserk said:Gilbert is a hilly rider. Boonen isn't.
Both was there to gain shape, and both looked bad while doing so.
Boonen's wishing he had Sagan's shape right now...El Pistolero said:Phil didn't look bad, was a domestique for most of the week.
Boonen on the other hand dropped out on flat stages as well... Boonen wished he had Phil's shape right now and you know it.
Gilbert looked far from great, but remember how pitiful he was last year in the E3 prijs, dropped like an amateur before the race even started. A couple of weeks later he almost won the Gold Race (although the Waalse Pijl and LBL showed he still wasn't 100%^).Netserk said:Gilbert is a hilly rider. Boonen isn't.
Both was there to gain shape, and both looked bad while doing so.
Just some of the best riders in the peloton right now like Sagan, Cancellara, Pozzato, Gilbert(he always does well in the Ronde), Hushovd, Phinney, Boom, etcLanark said:Gilbert looked far from great, but remember how pitiful he was last year in the E3 prijs, dropped like an amateur before the race even started. A couple of weeks later he almost won the Gold Race (although the Waalse Pijl and LBL showed he still wasn't 100%^).
Boonen has a lot less time for the classics, although he is lucky that their are barely a couple of great riders who focus on his races.