Todays idiot masters fattie doper

[Scott SoCal]

Problem is we don't know its all speculation. Some educated researched speculation, but still not 100% certainty. Did he have a banned substance in his urine? Yes. Therefore he has been sanctioned. Seems to me the whole issue here is not a refusal of guilt but a rejection of intent. Looks like a lot of time, money and trouble to defend "intent". Add to this the absurdity of the product choice and an unblemished career, I'm not ready to throw him under the bus. From the AAA report it does look like he's guilty of a desperate mix of supplements to eke out every second at least.

Please give up on the "all masters are doping" crap. Most racers who say that just seem to be looking for their own excuses.

I can't decide if you are apologizing for him or if your head is in the sand.

I'm not attacking, but come on...

 

[Hugh Januss]

what unblemished career? This was his first drug control. He's one for one.

Also if you read the AAA decision, it's pretty clear he mixed in his drugs with Hammer products before sending them to a lab for contamination testing.

I thought I heard somewhere that he had passed 500 tests.

 

[Bertie]

It might be in the sand.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Problem is we don't know its all speculation. Some educated researched speculation, but still not 100% certainty.

Haha! Ok, so NOW a documented arbitration is "all speculation." Whatever you do, don't read the arbitration documentation. Please!

Here it is in plainer English.
http://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2013/11/27/


The lies are made more ridiculous by suggesting Hammer nutrition company, of all companies to impugn, is so fly-by-night they are using supplement packing plants that are sprinkling DHEA and steroid powders in their packaging.

That is a very serious allegation to a company like Hammer Nutrition and their contractors. Seems to me Hammer Nutrition needs to lawyer up.

 

[Bertie]

I just read it (AAA) and don't disagree with that DirtyWorks. Its either lawsuit or submission/acceptance.
Not sure the Wordpress article should be termed "plain English" though.

 

[BroDeal]

Meeker constructed his evidence. He mixed multiple pills in the same container, and only the powder at the bottom was "contaminated". He sort of blames Endurolytes but avoids specifically saying that it must of been the Hammer product. It is not clear where the powder came from other than he thinks it might have been from broken Endurolyte capsules. He also holds out the possibility that powder on the outside of capsules he consumed might have caused the positive. It is as though he sat around and carefully planned a defense against a suit by Hammer.

 

[D-Queued]

Hmmm. 9-time national champ and this is the first time he was tested. I believe him when he says he was "shocked."

Do we know if this was just as he was handing over a donation for a Sysmex machine?

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Please give up on the "all masters are doping" crap. Most racers who say that just seem to be looking for their own excuses.

My excuses are better than yours!

Seriously, though. There is LOTS of doping out there.

If you haven't run across any, or if you haven't been bewildered by some performances, then maybe you need to move up a Category or actually show up at a race or two.

Now, feel free to question my doping detection methods.

I don't think that I have any particularly brilliant eyeball detection method. I did, however, recently came across an email I sent back in 2006 to report suspected doping by Ryder Hejesdahl.

That should count as a +1 confirmation of my primitive detection methods.

Dave.

 

[Fatclimber]

Haha! Ok, so NOW a documented arbitration is "all speculation." Whatever you do, don't read the arbitration documentation. Please!

Here it is in plainer English.
http://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2013/11/27/


The lies are made more ridiculous by suggesting Hammer nutrition company, of all companies to impugn, is so fly-by-night they are using supplement packing plants that are sprinkling DHEA and steroid powders in their packaging.

That is a very serious allegation to a company like Hammer Nutrition and their contractors. Seems to me Hammer Nutrition needs to lawyer up.

Actually, hammer nutrition was sued (and lost) for tainted supplements:

http://planetultramarathon.wordpres...trition-being-sued-for-steroid-contamination/

Sorry if the link is mobile, it's all I got. Don't get me wrong, as much of a presence as HN is in the endurance world, I'm sure they've gotten it straightened out by now and give no credence to what Meeker has to say. Hammer Nutrition has had it's problems.

 

[BroDeal]

Actually, hammer nutrition was sued (and lost) for tainted supplements:

http://planetultramarathon.wordpres...trition-being-sued-for-steroid-contamination/

Sorry if the link is mobile, it's all I got. Don't get me wrong, as much of a presence as HN is in the endurance world, I'm sure they've gotten it straightened out by now and give no credence to what Meeker has to say. Hammer Nutrition has had it's problems.

Where is the information about the result of the Hammer suit?

 

[Fatclimber]

Where is the information about the result of the Hammer suit?

That's the first thing that came up on a quick search. I remembered hearing a discussion years ago about it. Busy now, will get back to you later.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Here's a nice story from an associate of Meeker's.

http://socalcycling.com/2013/11/26/confessions-meeker-groupie-bought-max-kash-agro/

In short, MKA bought in. I drank the Kool Aid. Meeker was a rock star, and I was along for the ride.

Ohhhh yes. Rock star at those office park crits no one sees and no one cares. Nice set of values/priorities all around.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Actually, hammer nutrition was sued (and lost) for tainted supplements:

http://planetultramarathon.wordpres...trition-being-sued-for-steroid-contamination/

Ok, a little detail required on my part. Hammer's **formula** contained banned substances is different than Meeker's ridiculous allegations.

The broader lesson here is if the supplement really does something, then chances are excellent it's because of banned ingredients. Many may not be aware that supplement retailers are not required to list every ingredient.

 

[Fatclimber]

Where is the information about the result of the Hammer suit?

I could not find how the lawsuit resulted. Apparently CAS agreed it was a contaminated substance:

Despite an appeal hearing where the Court Arbitration for Sport accepted
Keat’s positive drug test was due to supplement contamination, she was
still determined to clear her name and pursue legal action.

And there's this little piece of evidence:

After two years of global searching, a WADA laboratory agreed to test
the Endurolyte supplements Keat had been given by her sponsor for steroids
or steroid precursors.

The laboratory later reported that the testing had revealed they were in
fact contaminated with norandrostenedione in an amount that was
consistent with Keat’s positive drug test.

My guess is that the case was settled and the results won't be disclosed. My apologies for getting ahead of myself.

 

[Fatclimber]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatclimber
Hmmm. 9-time national champ and this is the first time he was tested. I believe him when he says he was "shocked."

Do we know if this was just as he was handing over a donation for a Sysmex machine?

I was thinking it was more like the response you'd get from a Jamaican sprinter being asked to submit a sample in March-June of 2012.

 

[ralphbert]

Seriously, though. There is LOTS of doping out there.

If you haven't run across any, or if you haven't been bewildered by some performances, then maybe you need to move up a Category or actually show up at a race or two.

I race in NZ in the sub elite age group div's and grand fondos etc. I haven't seen anything here which made me think "doper!" Maybe I am blind but I think racing here is clean. Either that or only the donkeys are doping to bring them up to normal levels. I can say for sure I enjoy my racing regardless of what anyone else chooses to do and there is more I can do in terms of my own training to eeek out more performance naturally.

 

[BroDeal]

I race in NZ in the sub elite age group div's and grand fondos etc. I haven't seen anything here which made me think "doper!" Maybe I am blind but I think racing here is clean. Either that or only the donkeys are doping to bring them up to normal levels. I can say for sure I enjoy my racing regardless of what anyone else chooses to do and there is more I can do in terms of my own training to eeek out more performance naturally.

It probably helps being on an island instead of next to a third world country whose major industries are illegal drugs and donkey shows.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Here's a nice story from an associate of Meeker's.

http://socalcycling.com/2013/11/26/confessions-meeker-groupie-bought-max-kash-agro/

In short, MKA bought in. I drank the Kool Aid. Meeker was a rock star, and I was along for the ride.

Ohhhh yes. Rock star at those office park crits no one sees and no one cares. Nice set of values/priorities all around.

I'm entirely confused.

Is that ENTIRE essay written in the third person by MKA?

Sweet mother of Jesus...

There really is no bottom to the grand barrel of D*uchebaggery the SoCal master 'pros' drink from...

 

[ScienceIsCool]

I've literally never heard of *any* of these so-cal racers. Are they really that big of a deal. Seriously, never once heard of any of them.

John Swanson

 

[DirtyWorks]

I've literally never heard of *any* of these so-cal racers. Are they really that big of a deal. Seriously, never once heard of any of them.

John Swanson

There really is no bottom to the grand barrel of D*uchebaggery the SoCal master 'pros' drink from...

I posted that in haste. In my experience, there are lots of good people racing who have a healthy perspective on it. Unfortunately, Meeker and his pal are representative of a group who do not possess a generally healthy attitude.

Let me be clear, I don't know Meeker or his associate personally. They might be perfectly nice off the bike. But, they are very representative of a segment of Masters racing that is ridiculous and has been around for over a decade.

 

[Oldman]

I'm entirely confused.

Is that ENTIRE essay written in the third person by MKA?

Sweet mother of Jesus...

There really is no bottom to the grand barrel of D*uchebaggery the SoCal master 'pros' drink from...

MKA is a well-heeled attorney, booster of the sport and West Coast racing staple. Generally these guys have brought in recently retired pros to help them win Masters amateur stage races and it's a way big deal for them. Worthington is a good enough guy but so many of the guys in SoCal and Norcal would die for a win. They have proven to be beatable by clean riders but, as I've noted; hard to handle when 9 of them show up on one team.

The self-fascination and promotion is hard to explain as exposure to PEDs usually doesn't make you egomaniacal. Usually the other way around.

 

[D-Queued]

I race in NZ in the sub elite age group div's and grand fondos etc. I haven't seen anything here which made me think "doper!" Maybe I am blind but I think racing here is clean. Either that or only the donkeys are doping to bring them up to normal levels. I can say for sure I enjoy my racing regardless of what anyone else chooses to do and there is more I can do in terms of my own training to eeek out more performance naturally.

Maybe you just export them.

A turned honest Kiwi helped reveal the payola scheme behind the $1m Thrift prize theft.

Dave.

 

[ralphbert]

Swarty is the boss. About as cuddly as vino. No doubt the pro kiwis charge but they don't race here except for the nationals

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I think I figured out why he tested positive--> Contact high

 

[blackcat]

I think I figured out why he tested positive--> Contact high

yeah, i just remember Levi when he won the Tour of Cali and his show on the podium. risible small man syndrome

 

[blackcat]

yeah, i just remember Levi when he won the Tour of Cali and his show on the podium. risible small man syndrome

cant find the pic. but here are some other good ones