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The man sure is beefy ...and a little trip down memory lane of other notable "incidents"
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Oldman said:
Not surprising he excels in TTs. That said; I felt no pangs of past glory when I quit riding in SoCal crits during early training season. Much of the pack looked like this guy and acted like MMA fighters on the bike. Not all, but too many.
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Yep, I was glad to stop as well. I kept 2 of my really nice bikes, but I did have to switch out the cranksets to old man stuff.....50-34 LOL, but it still is fun to just ride. As expensive as the cranksets were, it had to be a hell of lot less than this guy spent on whatever he was putting in his body!
 
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Pontiac said:
Yep, I was glad to stop as well. I kept 2 of my really nice bikes, but I did have to switch out the cranksets to old man stuff.....50-34 LOL, but it still is fun to just ride. As expensive as the cranksets were, it had to be a hell of lot less than this guy spent on whatever he was putting in his body!
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There comes a time when everyone faces the choice between racing with (illegal) anti-aging drugs and quietly going out to pasture.
 
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You can also continue participating in races, and be slow, but that won't feed the ego.
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Or you can just go out and ride your bike and still have some day left when you're done. It's not necessarily all about ego to thrive on the competition, but it's no longer competition to just be hanging on the back.
 
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Hugh Januss said:
There comes a time when everyone faces the choice between racing with (illegal) anti-aging drugs and quietly going out to pasture.
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Just going out and riding your bike ain't the same. What about competition with yourself?

Your choice I bolded would not even cross the mind of masters racers. 99.9% of masters racers will choose the latter. We are talking about an extreme minority in this thread who would dabble in PEDs of any description.

I don't think doping of any description other than maybe an extra cup of coffee or huff in a salbutamol inhaler crosses the mind of the overwhelming majority of older folk who want to participate in healthy competition. If they weren't riding their bikes they would be getting fat and have much worse health. They keep racing for their health and the social benefits.

Even hanging on the back - as long as they are not a danger to themselves or others so what? Just hanging on the back can be a big effort if you are 70 trying to hold 50 year olds. You can't replicate this on a solo or group ride. Who are we to deny them because we are younger and think they should just stop?

My father was racing until in his late 70s (he first raced when he was maybe 18). In his latter years he raced at a club with grades with similar aged guys. He stopped when he realised his eyesight became a safety issue. None of these guys care about PEDs. Zero.
 
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Just going out and riding your bike ain't the same. What about competition with yourself?

Your choice I bolded would not even cross the mind of masters racers. 99.9% of masters racers will choose the latter. We are talking about an extreme minority in this thread who would dabble in PEDs of any description.

I don't think doping of any description other than maybe an extra cup of coffee or huff in a salbutamol inhaler crosses the mind of the overwhelming majority of older folk who want to participate in healthy competition. If they weren't riding their bikes they would be getting fat and have much worse health. They keep racing for their health and the social benefits.

Even hanging on the back - as long as they are not a danger to themselves or others so what? Just hanging on the back can be a big effort if you are 70 trying to hold 50 year olds. You can't replicate this on a solo or group ride. Who are we to deny them because we are younger and think they should just stop?

My father was racing until in his late 70s (he first raced when he was maybe 18). In his latter years he raced at a club with grades with similar aged guys. He stopped when he realised his eyesight became a safety issue. None of these guys care about PEDs. Zero.
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Maybe that's true on a local basis and it is probably what I felt when I first got back into racing, but it didn't take long to notice something was amiss in the bigger races when guys outside our area started coming in and it was certainly not the case when I started going to Natz again. All you have to do is review who and how many guys were getting busted on USADA's website. Look back at what I posted a few years back, when everyone who was caught in a year or two period was a master. And you know damn well with the lack of testing that was the tip of the iceberg. It's a problem for sure. And guys who enjoy just racing and filling up the pack should not have to have their experience sullied by those idiots.
 
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Maybe that's true on a local basis and it is probably what I felt when I first got back into racing, but it didn't take long to notice something was amiss in the bigger races when guys outside our area started coming in and it was certainly not the case when I started going to Natz again. All you have to do is review who and how many guys were getting busted on USADA's website. Look back at what I posted a few years back, when everyone who was caught in a year or two period was a master. And you know damn well with the lack of testing that was the tip of the iceberg. It's a problem for sure. And guys who enjoy just racing and filling up the pack should not have to have their experience sullied by those idiots.
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Yes I’ve raced in masters competition and I am sure this happens but we should not generalise all masters racing. This why I commented. I still think even in the US you are talking about a tiny minority.

If everyone busted was a master then likely that is because their doping wasn’t administered and monitored by professional medicos. Similar reason why only small fish on smaller teams get snared in the peloton.

I also question why amateur masters racers would bother with doping? What is their motivation ? Ego? Trophies? Because it isn’t money. I mean they are not going to have doctors monitoring their doping like professional teams do. That means there are also potential heath risks.

And if guys are getting busted then that’s good. It’s when they don’t get busted we have a problem.

But you do make a good point about lack of testing of masters competitors. National bodies should do at least some targeted testing on masters. That might be enough to discourage those you mention.
 
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Cookster15 said:
Yes I’ve raced in masters competition and I am sure this happens but we should not generalise all masters racing. This why I commented. I still think even in the US you are talking about a tiny minority.

If everyone busted was a master then likely that is because their doping wasn’t administered and monitored by professional medicos. Similar reason why only small fish on smaller teams get snared in the peloton.

I also question why amateur masters racers would bother with doping? What is their motivation ? Ego? Trophies? Because it isn’t money. I mean they are not going to have doctors monitoring their doping like professional teams do. That means there are also potential heath risks.

And if guys are getting busted then that’s good. It’s when they don’t get busted we have a problem.

But you do make a good point about lack of testing of masters competitors. National bodies should do at least some targeted testing on masters. That might be enough to discourage those you mention.
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The doped (and caught) Master's riders I've had the occasion to race with seem to share some insecurities that borders on sociopathy. A few that I competed with that got busted were reported by their region's riders and officials. That could speak to the blatancy that this new guy exercised. It can't be for the money and it's definitely not for the lady admirers...they just look older and scarier than normal skinny riders.
Sad situation for those that cheat if they feel "winning" is that important but in the US; it seems to an extent anything is justified if you win. It's not like our culture invented that attitude but it seems prevalent and indicative of insecure narcissism.
 
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Oldman said:
The doped (and caught) Master's riders I've had the occasion to race with seem to share some insecurities that borders on sociopathy. A few that I competed with that got busted were reported by their region's riders and officials. That could speak to the blatancy that this new guy exercised. It can't be for the money and it's definitely not for the lady admirers...they just look older and scarier than normal skinny riders.
Sad situation for those that cheat if they feel "winning" is that important but in the US; it seems to an extent anything is justified if you win. It's not like our culture invented that attitude but it seems prevalent and indicative of insecure narcissism.
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I agree with Cookster's call that it's a tiny fraction, I have ridden and raced in communities in California, Texas, Colorado, NYC and North Carolina, Florida, Georgia and in each place there is a vibrant racing \ club community were being top dog is pretty significant.
Rides in San Diego and Los Angeles have a pro sprinkle from time to time. When Chris Horner is around you would think that the club ride is the World Championships.
To * win* a club race in Boulder or Dallas, Austin is really important to some people.. I can definitely see how guys are tempted to juice. To me it's just an extension of hair loss or guys who carry Viagra with them everywhere they go.. Just in case.
If you are 40, 50 or older and you are getting gassed to the gills to win something that involves either no prize money or not enough to cover your expenses for a few days. Silly.
I don't get angry about it, instead I feel sadness. Federations can't assume anything, how much money should a race promoter or federation earmark for drug testing guys who are 40, 50+? That's just sad that it's even a thing..
It always brings me back to the deep, deep disappointment, sadness when adults had kids cheating in Little League Baseball! Getting fake documents and children rehearsing to lie about their age.. The level of contempt is just ugly. It wouldn't be any better if millions were in the balance but when it's just pride or your lack of self worth, to me it's just worse. We have more and more problems with parents in sports, fighting, yelling insults and threatening umpires and other officials.. Knocks all the goodwill out of masters stuff and grand fondo not so serious attitude.
 
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