Todays idiot masters fattie doper

[fasthill]

You're kidding me. What possible satisfaction could one possibly get from being, effectively, motorpaced?

Exactly the same satisfaction people get by winning races on the gear.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

You're kidding me. What possible satisfaction could one possibly get from being, effectively, motorpaced?

Sorry this is offtopic for the clinic, but that's just...weird.

I'm not kidding. I'm not saying it's right or makes any sense or is worthwhile. Just that it happens.

Then there are long course triathletes who draft illegally too.

 

[BigChain]

Who is doing 30min crits? I haven't entered a crit less than 55mins + 3laps in years. During the winter there is plenty of good masters road racing in Victoria too.

Rather than say, "Its going to happen" I'd suggest that its already on the way

The recent Ballarat Masters Nationals - 30min + 1 lap crits.

There is good road racing during the winter, but the problem is you need the whole day to do it as the races are normally 1-2 hours drive away. This eats into family time and the reason I haven't raced the winter road series.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

The recent Ballarat Masters Nationals - 30min + 1 lap crits.

There is good road racing during the winter, but the problem is you need the whole day to do it as the races are normally 1-2 hours drive away. This eats into family time and the reason I haven't raced the winter road series.

The Australian National Masters crit champs are usually the shortest races on the masters calendar.

If you want the race durations changed, then lobby for changes to the CA tech regs. CA tech reg 3.65.11 applies.

Masters men categories (under 50): 40min + 3 laps
Over 50 mens and all masters women categories: 30min + 3 laps.

You might be surprised to learn that the tech regs for the following categories at Nationals apply:

U23 men, elite women, U17 & U19 both sexes: 30min + 3 laps

Men's elite: 1 hour + 3 laps.

 

[Race Radio]

Actually this is exactly what happens in many European sportive type events.

In fact sometimes when there is a rider limit per team, they enter several teams for the purpose of aiding one or two riders.

I have seen this so many times. The top women always have 3-4 male riders pacing them, holding their bottles, etc.

Once I saw a guy with 5-6 other teammates. They did everything for him and were focused 100% on getting him to the finish fast. I took advantage of this and latched on for 50km or so, until they were too slow on a climb and I went up the road. It was Andrea Pinarello (RIP).

 

[BigChain]

I have seen this so many times. The top women always have 3-4 male riders pacing them, holding their bottles, etc.

Once I saw a guy with 5-6 other teammates. They did everything for him and were focused 100% on getting him to the finish fast. I took advantage of this and latched on for 50km or so, until they were too slow on a climb and I went up the road. It was Andrea Pinarello (RIP).

Isn't this how Mark Cavendish won the World Championships?

Basically if there are going to be Masters teams at Masters level racing then you have to expect team tactics.

 

[BigChain]

The Australian National Masters crit champs are usually the shortest races on the masters calendar.

If you want the race durations changed, then lobby for changes to the CA tech regs. CA tech reg 3.65.11 applies.

Masters men categories (under 50): 40min + 3 laps
Over 50 mens and all masters women categories: 30min + 3 laps.

You might be surprised to learn that the tech regs for the following categories at Nationals apply:

U23 men, elite women, U17 & U19 both sexes: 30min + 3 laps

Men's elite: 1 hour + 3 laps.

Thanks for the information. I will certainly consider an email to CA.

 

[Race Radio]

Isn't this how Mark Cavendish won the World Championships?

Basically if there are going to be Masters teams at Masters level racing then you have to expect team tactics.

I agree, I don't have a problem with it. I have worked for others in GF's as well.

I think when some may take issue is GF are supposed to be more of a fun event without these kinds of tactics. I think they stopped being that about 5 years ago.

 

[nslckevin]

I agree, I don't have a problem with it. I have worked for others in GF's as well.

I think when some may take issue is GF are supposed to be more of a fun event without these kinds of tactics. I think they stopped being that about 5 years ago.

The irony of people who think it should be for "fun" and then complaining about others taking it seriously is somewhat delicious.

I have been somewhat fascinated by (euro) GF's for the last two years or so. Is there real money to be made in winning them? Like the Maratona or La Marmotte?

Thanks!

Kevin

 

[BigChain]

I agree, I don't have a problem with it. I have worked for others in GF's as well.

I think when some may take issue is GF are supposed to be more of a fun event without these kinds of tactics. I think they stopped being that about 5 years ago.

I guess it depends on what you want from the event. The only GF I have done is the first one in Australia - Amy Gillett Foundation (AGF) Gran Fondo. http://www.amygillett.org.au/gran-fondo/#course

I thought it was a terrific event. But it was billed as a race. Therefore a reasonable number of the participants raced it. The remainder did it purely as an event ride and probably not interested in their finishing position or time, just enjoying the spectacular course and the 120km of closed roads. From the feedback the AGF received, most people, regardless of how they tackled the event, felt it was the best event they had ever participated in.

I definitely raced the AGF Gran Fondo and enjoyed doing so. Finished high in my age group, but not quite high enough. Maybe next time!

Having experienced the AGF Gran Fondo, I would like to do more.

I don't know what European Gran Fondo's prize money is, but in the AGF GF first prize was about $500 AUD (roughly $500 USD). This would only just cover the travel and accommodation, so racing for the money is not a motivating factor.

 

[Michele]

Thanks for the information. I will certainly consider an email to CA.

He used to have some scooter pacing him in the last kms (happened to see it with my own eyes).

I agree, I don't have a problem with it. I have worked for others in GF's as well.

I think when some may take issue is GF are supposed to be more of a fun event without these kinds of tactics. I think they stopped being that about 5 years ago.

Errr...not!

 

[Irish2009]

Why not "Masters Pro Football" and Masters Pro Baseball? I was busy going to college and chasing skirts back in the day. I want another chance!

Afaik these sports dont even have World Championships for the Pros(USA,Canada,Cuba,Russia is not the world) If they did then maybe eventually they could have Worlds Champs for Masters.

The fact that a cyclist can maintain a good level of fitness into thier later years is reason enough to let them have a championship imo.

 

[Winterfold]

I just looked on Strava and saw that some 40+ year old guy from the UK did 36' to the village! VAM=1700! Holy crap that's fast! Like Tour de France fast. Didn't Sanchez do something like 41 to the top?

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this sounds much more back OT

Got a link?

 

[Martin318is]

I have moved a large number of the posts in this thread over to a new thread discussing GFs in the General forum.

Grand Fondos

 

[spetsa]

From below link:

After all, Papp tantalisingly wrote on his Twitter feed following the webchat that he could well spill the beans - in his next interview with Saddles - about a certain former rider who performs on the Masters circuit.

"I'm not going to name any names," Papp had said on Tour Chats, "but it gets my goat that he's still riding today."


http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blog/blazin-saddles/article/3046/

I always assumed that LA and all involved would never be indicted before Joe Papp's sentencing, if this all truelly started with Floyd and Rock Racing, but I didn't believe that we would still be waiting for USADA to release the names from the Papp list. Hopefully it will be coming soon.
It is an absolute joke that people on that list were allowed to race all of last season. If they are allowed to start the 2012 season without being exposed, I have to believe that it is due to some level of protection towards USA Cycling, maybe the Feds are in control of its release, who knows other than a couple of people.
Needless to say the day has got to be coming and what fun it will bring. Any guesses on the above mentioned former (pro ?..my interpretation) cyclist now racing masters? I bet he knows the Weasel...

 

[spetsa]

Another one...unbelievable!

63 yrs old....5th place in a TT......seriously!

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...ers-racer-63-accepts-doping-suspenions_198175

 

[Race Radio]

63 yrs old....5th place in a TT......seriously!

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...ers-racer-63-accepts-doping-suspenions_198175

This is getting stupid.....he even refused an OOC test! What the hell are these guys thinking?

Wait, Mike Diamond? Not THE Mike D?

 

[Race Radio]

Oh, It gets better.

You know those guys that buy a $400 frame on Alibaba, slap some stickers on it, and try to sell it for $3000? It appears old man Diamond has his own bike line

http://www.diamondbicycle.com/About.php

 

[mewmewmew13]

Oh, It gets better.

You know those guys that buy a $400 frame on Alibaba, slap some stickers on it, and try to sell it for $3000? It appears old man Diamond has his own bike line

http://www.diamondbicycle.com/About.php

wow just wow...
they sure have 'conquered' a lot of hills erm.. mountains.

old egos never die
sad

 

[spetsa]

wow just wow...
they sure have 'conquered' a lot of hills erm.. mountains.

old egos never die
sad

There should be a cover charge to this comedy club. Sit back and enjoy, it is only going to get better. This whole time I have figured that I would personally know half of the cyclists on Joe's list, from racing, but I am really starting to wonder.

 

[Race Radio]

Whatever Old Man Diamond was taking it didn't help him.....1:33 for a flat 40km TT? Was he riding a big wheel?

 

[spetsa]

Whatever Old Man Diamond was taking it didn't help him.....1:33 for a flat 40km TT? Was he riding a big wheel?

Come on now..give him a break. There are overpasses and wind in FL.

 

[alanshearer]

This is getting stupid.....he even refused an OOC test! What the hell are these guys thinking?

Wait, Mike Diamond? Not THE Mike D?

Looks like he's a Cat 5 with only a few results, all from this season.

Is this guy new to racing?

Why is this being reported as an "out of competition" test but taken on the same day as a TT.

Could this be a case of ignorance? Not knowing the obligation to submit to a test? Not that ignorance is an excuse, but it can be an explanation.

Is testing 63 year old Cat 5 racers out of competition really the best way to allocate USADA resources?

Edit: after reading his website, it looks like the guy's just a ******.

 

[lordconqueror]

the comments on the velonews story say that he was bragging about doping on local rides and that USADA was informed via their tip line.

 

[alanshearer]

the comments on the velonews story say that he was bragging about doping on local rides and that USADA was informed via their tip line.

If true, then that makes more sense. It would also mean that there's better reporting in the comments section than in the actual story.