Tom Danielson

[hrotha]

Well the stuff that Talansky tweeted when Di Luca was popped has come back and bit him on the ass by the looks of it.

The tweet I see circulating wasn't about Di Luca getting popped, though, but about Di Luca saying everybody doped.

 

[BYOP88]

Well the stuff that Talansky tweeted when Di Luca was popped has come back and bit him on the ass by the looks of it.

The tweet I see circulating wasn't about Di Luca getting popped, though, but about Di Luca saying everybody doped.

Ok that's probably my bad. Di Luca got popped a few times, I've possibly got him getting popped and saying 'everyone dopes' mixed up in regards Talansky's tweet.

 

[WildspokeJoe]

If he gets four years, he’ll come back just in time to win the Vuelta!

 

[TI-Raleigh]

He should be banned for life.

 

[Blakeslee]

I think its unfair to be criticizing Jonathan Vaughters for this. As a rider he was one of the first to walk away from the institutionalized doping that was going on in the sport and then went on to try to do something constructive about it by starting the Garmin team. If the test result holds up and Danielson is confirmed to have doped, he is the one who should be taking the responsibility after blowing his second chance and taking down the rest of what the team has accomplished with him.

For the moderators can this positive test be moved into its own thread? Having a single thread for a rider like this is somewhat inefficient having to wade through posts from 2009 to find discussion about what is currently going on.

 

[WildspokeJoe]

It was funny when I saw he got popped this morning, I went to the clinic straight away. 101 posts already, I said to myself - good news travels fast. I read the first post. Hmmm. Pretty standard 'it wasn't me your honor' post. Then I looked at the date - 2012.
Talk about a repeat performance. Same as it ever was.

The thing is the positive makes total sense. He's the defending champion of the Tour of Utah. He's close to retirement. He wanted to pad his stats and defend his title and ride off into the sunset.

Kudos to the USDA for testing during the tour. They knew exactly when he would he would be glowing.

 

[70kmph]

Another successful witch hunting

 

[Jancouver]

Finally some "bigger" name got busted. I was already getting tired of all those no-names from third world countries getting caught.

 

[TheGame]

Re: Re:

Quick, call Impey for some ideas. They must have workshopped a few.

Alex for the win.

Synthetic doping tests are rare by the way, very expensive and thus not done often. I say one and one is...

Not really. They did a CIR test, probably because his initial screen showed a whacky t/e ratio. Cir isn't that expensive and is used pretty often in those situations

 

[WildspokeJoe]

Re:

I think its unfair to be criticizing Jonathan Vaughters for this.

If the test result holds up and Danielson is confirmed to have dope, he is the one who should be taking the responsibility after blowing his second chance and taking down the rest of what the team has accomplished with him.

I think it will depend on JV's response. He brought the dopers back. Folding the team might be the sort of wake-up call the peloton needs. Although, nothing really happened after Rabobank left.

Was it an idle threat or is there action behind the chatter?

No one would disagree that Danielson should take the brunt of the abuse but if the 'b' sample comes back positive - JV- Cannonadale-Garmin need to eviscerate Danielson in the media.

 

[webvan]

Re: Re:

Quick, call Impey for some ideas. They must have workshopped a few.

Alex for the win.

Synthetic doping tests are rare by the way, very expensive and thus not done often. I say one and one is...

Not really. They did a CIR test, probably because his initial screen showed a whacky t/e ratio. Cir isn't that expensive and is used pretty often in those situations

Exactly like for Landis in 2006, these guys take chances knowing CIR is not used unless the ratio is >4:1 (if memory serves) but throw in some unplanned event (heat ?) and it's finished. They should really do the CIR each time, would keep everyone more "honest"...

 

[hrotha]

While JV may not be necessarily to blame for Danielson's positive, this goes to show how lightly he talked the talk. The most benign interpretation of the events would have him foolishly vouching for the cleanliness of riders whose doping habits he simply couldn't know fully, and exploiting it for PR.

 

[Berzin]

Re:

For the moderators can this positive test be moved into its own thread? Having a single thread for a rider like this is somewhat inefficient having to wade through posts from 2009 to find discussion about what is currently going on.

There's nothing to "wade" through. The thread so far is only six pages long and all you have to do to get to the latest posts is go to the last page.

As far as I'm concerned six pages is seven pages too long for this rider. Overhyped for almost all of his career and accomplished little of note. Hanging on for grim death and looking at the Tour of Utah as the highlight of his year...puleeze.

This is just another excuse for the Vaughters haters to pile on him, that's all. In the large scheme of things, this latest "bust" is of no consequence whatsoever. Nothing but a sad end to the career of an anonymous rider.

 

[Benotti69]

USADA should be retesting all Danielson's samples.

 

[Billie]

Anybody seen any reaction form other riders on the Danielson positive? I remember half the peloton tweeting their anger at Di Luca couple years back. All keeping quite now. What a disgrace.

Hope Lance tweets later today

Edit: Jimmy Engoulvent is the only one so far.
Jimmy Engoulvent ‏@JimmyEngoulvent
@tomdanielson tu veux nous faire pleurer ?

 

[MartinGT]

Just read the team have pulled out of the TOU

 

[davebqvst]

Looks like the entire team has withdrawn from Utah now:
@nealrogers Tour of Utah announces that entire Cannondale-Garmin team has withdrawn from the race. Tom Danielson was two-time, defending champion.

 

[Benotti69]

Saves Vaughters having to face the media.

Bet Cannondale are not happy, home race an all..........

 

[BigMac]

Looks like the entire team has withdrawn from Utah now:
@nealrogers Tour of Utah announces that entire Cannondale-Garmin team has withdrawn from the race. Tom Danielson was two-time, defending champion.

No way.

 

[MartinGT]

Re:

Anybody seen any reaction form other riders on the Danielson positive? I remember half the peloton tweeting their anger at Di Luca couple years back. All keeping quite now. What a disgrace.

Hope Lance tweets later today

Lane already has https://twitter.com/lancearmstrong/with_replies

 

[Billie]

Re: Re:

Anybody seen any reaction form other riders on the Danielson positive? I remember half the peloton tweeting their anger at Di Luca couple years back. All keeping quite now. What a disgrace.

Hope Lance tweets later today

Lane already has https://twitter.com/lancearmstrong/with_replies

nice

 

[BYOP88]

https://twitter.com/nealrogers/status/628212656940257280

Cannondale still in the ToU.

 

[Enrico Gimondi]

False reporting about the whole team pulling from the race. Just TD

@nealrogers 1m1 minute ago
Sorry folks, I misread Tour of Utah press release. It’s only Danielson that's withdrawn from race, not the entire team. Mea culpa. Apologies

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re:

I think its unfair to be criticizing Jonathan Vaughters for this. As a rider he was one of the first to walk away from the institutionalized doping that was going on in the sport and then went on to try to do something constructive about it by starting the Garmin team. If the test result holds up and Danielson is confirmed to have doped, he is the one who should be taking the responsibility after blowing his second chance and taking down the rest of what the team has accomplished with him.

For the moderators can this positive test be moved into its own thread? Having a single thread for a rider like this is somewhat inefficient having to wade through posts from 2009 to find discussion about what is currently going on.

Unfair? JV is the one who made the statements that if they got 1 postiffff test he would fire the team quit the sport or that his sponsors had a 1 test and out clause. Unfair? He should have not made those big bold statements of clean.

 

[happytramp]

Re: Re:

I think its unfair to be criticizing Jonathan Vaughters for this. As a rider he was one of the first to walk away from the institutionalized doping that was going on in the sport and then went on to try to do something constructive about it by starting the Garmin team. If the test result holds up and Danielson is confirmed to have doped, he is the one who should be taking the responsibility after blowing his second chance and taking down the rest of what the team has accomplished with him.

For the moderators can this positive test be moved into its own thread? Having a single thread for a rider like this is somewhat inefficient having to wade through posts from 2009 to find discussion about what is currently going on.

Unfair? JV is the one who made the statements that if they got 1 postiffff test he would fire the team quit the sport or that his sponsors had a 1 test and out clause. Unfair? He should have not made those big bold statements of clean.

Yeah possibly he was a bit ott when he said that. The thing is that it's not actually possible for him to hold the hand of each rider when they go to the bathroom or tuck them into bed at night. Also as far as i'm concerned anyone holding him to account for that statement and beating him across the back with it now is an honest to God a$$hole who probably has zero place being a cycling fan.