Tom Danielson

[Fortyninefourteen]

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updated:

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/11/usada-confirms-danielsons-b-sample-also-tested-says-full-fair-legal-process-in-place/

USADA confirms Danielson’s B sample also positive, says ‘full, fair legal process in place’

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There has been unconfirmed suggestions that this delay is due to a investigation into claims of third-party tampering.

Enquiring minds want to know: was it his first wife, second wife, or the current podium girl/groupie who is accused of the tampering? Or maybe it was the butler in the parlor with a syringe of 'T".

\Professor Plum is the study, of course....

 

[arthurvandelay]

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There has been unconfirmed suggestions that this delay is due to a investigation into claims of third-party tampering.[/quote][/quote]

Enquiring minds want to know: was it his first wife, second wife, or the current podium girl/groupie who is accused of the tampering? Or maybe it was the butler in the parlor with a syringe of 'T".[/quote]

\Professor Plum is the study, of course....[/quote]

Maybe TD can splurge a little and see if WADA will throw in a DNA test on the B analysis. That way he can figure out which one of his paramours spiked the sample.....LOL

My guess is that since Tommy D knows he is going down hard he's gonna throw it all against the wall and see what sticks. I bet that since the positive A test it's been all full up dope at his house, seeing as he has been raging away on the old Strava. Strava doesn't do drug testing (laugh) so now TD can get his rep going for when he hits the fondo circuit. Just be sure to read the fine print TD before you sign up for a fondo....

 

[doperhopper]

Balls! The page says:


As one of the sport’s most talented and hard-working teams, Team Cannondale-Garmin is prepared to race hard and race clean!


And just below it, TD photo:

http://slipstreamsports.com/cannondale-garmin-pro-team/

 

[Irondan]

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Balls! The page says:


As one of the sport’s most talented and hard-working teams, Team Cannondale-Garmin is prepared to race hard and race clean!


And just below it, TD photo:

http://slipstreamsports.com/cannondale-garmin-pro-team/

That's awfully hypocritical to have his image still attached to the 'clean team' official website.

I assume it's because he's still officially under contract until January 1st, 2016, or maybe just an oversight by a lazy website admin at CG...

Either way, it's confirmation that the 'clean team' is just a sales pitch.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Velonews protecting Danielson with some amazing false logic.

The guy crossed 4:1 and then and only then failed the CIR.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/11/news/the-confusing-case-of-tom-danielson_388807

There are some very strange statements credited to Catlin introducing DHEA, a drug believed to have no meaningful performance enhancing effect, somehow involved in the positive, somehow... It reads to me like Neal Rogers is just confusing the situation to modify public opinion.

If anyone has any insight about a potential link between DHEA and T, I'd be glad to hear it.

It reads like the UCI punched his ticket. I wonder if the federation fundraises like the IAAF.

 

[Irondan]

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Velonews protecting Danielson with some amazing false logic.

The guy crossed 4:1 and then and only then failed the CIR.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/11/news/the-confusing-case-of-tom-danielson_388807

There are some very strange statements credited to Catlin introducing DHEA, a drug believed to have no meaningful performance enhancing effect, somehow involved in the positive, somehow... It reads to me like Neal Rogers is just confusing the situation to modify public opinion.

If anyone has any insight about a potential link between DHEA and T, I'd be glad to hear it.

It reads like the UCI punched his ticket. I wonder if the federation fundraises like the IAAF.

Obviously Rogers and TD are friends or something with the way Rogers is minimizing and obfuscating the story.

They both reside in Boulder CO, a small tight knit cycling community.

It wouldn't surprise me if TD was on Rogers speed dial...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Velonews protecting Danielson with some amazing false logic.

The guy crossed 4:1 and then and only then failed the CIR.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/11/news/the-confusing-case-of-tom-danielson_388807

There are some very strange statements credited to Catlin introducing DHEA, a drug believed to have no meaningful performance enhancing effect, somehow involved in the positive, somehow... It reads to me like Neal Rogers is just confusing the situation to modify public opinion.

If anyone has any insight about a potential link between DHEA and T, I'd be glad to hear it.

It reads like the UCI punched his ticket. I wonder if the federation fundraises like the IAAF.

I think the main thing is they don't detect testosterone in your body, or most drugs for that matter.

They detect metabolites -- the bits that float around as your body processes and absorbs the drug. DHEA can be synthesized to testosterone, for example, by skeletal muscle (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18349113) and at a guess, the CIR test detects metabolites that are shared between DHEA (didehydroepiandrosterone) and testosterone.

They are both illegal and the article is clutching at straws IMO.

 

[blackcat]

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There is no limit on exogenous testosterone.

6:1 T/E ration captures 99.98%

that is why the peptide doping, on the spectrum of gene doping, are so powerful, if they can keep on releasing the testo

 

[Merckx index]

I think the main thing is they don't detect testosterone in your body, or most drugs for that matter.

They detect metabolites -- the bits that float around as your body processes and absorbs the drug. DHEA can be synthesized to testosterone, for example, by skeletal muscle (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18349113) and at a guess, the CIR test detects metabolites that are shared between DHEA (didehydroepiandrosterone) and testosterone.

This is basically correct. The CIR test detects metabolites, so is not necessarily specific for testosterone. However, the CIR test is not triggered unless there is an abnormally high T/E level, so the evidence at that stage already indicates with very high probability that testosterone is involved. When you put together a high T/E with the presence of metabolites derived from a synthetic substance, you have a very compelling case for synthetic testosterone.

Spiking, of course, is a different matter, and not something the test per se can address, except in terms of amounts. Remember in that old interview with Ashenden, he pointed out how very difficult it would be to spike samples to result in an EPO positive, i.e., to get amounts in the urine that would be consistent with dosing by the athlete as opposed to tampering with the sample. I suspect that if someone tried to spike a urine sample with synthetic T, the same problem would arise. Unless the person was very knowledgeable about normal physiological T concentrations, doping test sensitivities, etc.--which no former partner of TD would be--probably the spiking would be pretty apparent.[/quote]

that is why the peptide doping, on the spectrum of gene doping, are so powerful, if they can keep on releasing the testo

Peptide doping is not gene doping.

 

[Benotti69]

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Velonews protecting Danielson with some amazing false logic.

The guy crossed 4:1 and then and only then failed the CIR.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/11/news/the-confusing-case-of-tom-danielson_388807

There are some very strange statements credited to Catlin introducing DHEA, a drug believed to have no meaningful performance enhancing effect, somehow involved in the positive, somehow... It reads to me like Neal Rogers is just confusing the situation to modify public opinion.

If anyone has any insight about a potential link between DHEA and T, I'd be glad to hear it.

It reads like the UCI punched his ticket. I wonder if the federation fundraises like the IAAF.

Obviously Rogers and TD are friends or something with the way Rogers is minimizing and obfuscating the story.

They both reside in Boulder CO, a small tight knit cycling community.

It wouldn't surprise me if TD was on Rogers speed dial...

Well read Irondan. Rogers another paid up member of omerta.

 

[nayr497]

I read that article as well and found it odd. Ah, they live in the same place. Hmm. I'd find it extremely weird if part of my job was to write about, and distort the truth, for the benefit of others. I don't think I'd find my daily bike commute home to be enjoyable.

 

[Benotti69]

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I read that article as well and found it odd. Ah, they live in the same place. Hmm. I'd find it extremely weird if part of my job was to write about, and distort the truth, for the benefit of others. I don't think I'd find my daily bike commute home to be enjoyable.

These journalists dont distort the truth for the benefit of others, it is to their own benefit firstly. They get paid. That is their bottom line.

 

[MacRoadie]

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Spiking, of course, is a different matter, and not something the test per se can address, except in terms of amounts. Remember in that old interview with Ashenden, he pointed out how very difficult it would be to spike samples to result in an EPO positive, i.e., to get amounts in the urine that would be consistent with dosing by the athlete as opposed to tampering with the sample. I suspect that if someone tried to spike a urine sample with synthetic T, the same problem would arise. Unless the person was very knowledgeable about normal physiological T concentrations, doping test sensitivities, etc.--which no former partner of TD would be--probably the spiking would be pretty apparent.

I believe the alleged spiking in question relates to possible supplement tampering by Danielson's ex wife, as opposed to the hypothetical urine sample testing Ashenden discussed during the LA fiasco.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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I read that article as well and found it odd.

Worth recalling that only a few months ago the recently appointed VN boss John Bradley was calling on his readers to cut JV some slack

Let’s leave Jonathan Vaughters alone for a bit. I know that’s not going to sway Lance Armstrong. But I’m hoping I can appeal to people who do better with nuance.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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It's also worth pointing out that, in the original version of the VN article posted on Friday, the JV quote contained no reference to him having called Bill Bock:

That grew to become:

“The amount of official information that I have is very small,” Vaughters said. “I was never officially informed by USADA that he tested positive. I haven’t been informed by the UCI, either. I have no idea where the B sample is or isn’t. Not a clue. I don’t know if Tom is taking the case to arbitration. From an official standpoint, the only thing I know is that on August 3, Tom Danielson tweeted that he had tested positive for synthetic testosterone. When I called [USADA general counsel] Bill Bock, he confirmed that there had been an adverse A.”

 

[Jacques de Molay]

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As his Twitter comments showed, JV knew more that he implied to VN he knew.

If I may, there's no need for modesty. Your exchange with JV was quite illuminating.
(Apologies if I'm over stepping here)

@fmk_RoI Nov 6
@Vaughters So did Tommy D call you up? Or did you just give him time off cause you thought he looked like he needed a rest?

@Vaughters
@fmk_RoI yeah, he called me, obviously.

@fmk_RoI
He called you @Vaughters? So has @NealRogers/@VeloNews misquoted you saying all you know abt it from him is a Tweet?


‏@Vaughters
@fmk_RoI @nealrogers @velonews @Pflax1 I said that's the only official notification I've gotten. Crying phone call at 2am is hardly official

@Pflax1
@fmk_RoI @Vaughters @nealrogers @velonews Cmon man, didn't you see all the uses of official/officially?

fmk_RoI
@Pflax1 Yeah but it's always nice to get @Vaughters to confirm he's sprouting bollix meant to mislead, you know?

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@fmk_RoI Nov 6
Well well well. Blocked by @Vaughters. Was it something I said?

 

[Merckx index]

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I believe the alleged spiking in question relates to possible supplement tampering by Danielson's ex wife, as opposed to the hypothetical urine sample testing Ashenden discussed during the LA fiasco.

Of course, my bad. No significant other would have access to the urine samples.

 

[MacRoadie]

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I believe the alleged spiking in question relates to possible supplement tampering by Danielson's ex wife, as opposed to the hypothetical urine sample testing Ashenden discussed during the LA fiasco.

Of course, my bad. No significant other would have access to the urine samples.

Not gonna say it....

 

[Random Direction]

YGE 521 (I couldn't resist). First one to figure it out wins a free magnum of Quebecerac.

 

[86TDFWinner]

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As his Twitter comments showed, JV knew more that he implied to VN he knew.

If I may, there's no need for modesty. Your exchange with JV was quite illuminating.
(Apologies if I'm over stepping here)

@fmk_RoI Nov 6
@Vaughters So did Tommy D call you up? Or did you just give him time off cause you thought he looked like he needed a rest?

@Vaughters
@fmk_RoI yeah, he called me, obviously.

@fmk_RoI
He called you @Vaughters? So has @NealRogers/@VeloNews misquoted you saying all you know abt it from him is a Tweet?


‏@Vaughters
@fmk_RoI @nealrogers @velonews @Pflax1 I said that's the only official notification I've gotten. Crying phone call at 2am is hardly official

@Pflax1
@fmk_RoI @Vaughters @nealrogers @velonews Cmon man, didn't you see all the uses of official/officially?

fmk_RoI
@Pflax1 Yeah but it's always nice to get @Vaughters to confirm he's sprouting bollix meant to mislead, you know?

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@fmk_RoI Nov 6
Well well well. Blocked by @Vaughters. Was it something I said?

Hilarious! Vaughters is a tool and a liar too. I lol that people still believe anything he says anymore.

He's like Alexi Grewal, Only says things that fit his agenda and if you to against it, you're blocked. Typical response when folks know the jig is up on what you say.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

He's a weird king of liar. I can't tell if its that he is really bad at lying and being consistent in his lies, or that his imagined reality is so distorted that he thinks he is being consistent. The way he half engages with people, gets himself into trouble, and then blocks them is typical on the surface, but he almost always shows his cards in the first exchange, cards that aren't necessarily asked for, and that he doesn't need to show to keep up appearances. It's bizarre.

 

[arthurvandelay]

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YGE 521 (I couldn't resist). First one to figure it out wins a free magnum of Quebecerac.

I am trying so hard not to say something unsavory, so I will shout it into a paper bag........there I feel much better.

Are we really positing that an ex-wife/girlfriend/podium girl/groupie somehow contaminated a urine sample by surreptitious or "intimate" means ? Mata Hari would be proud !!!

 

[fmk_RoI]

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If I may, there's no need for modesty. Your exchange with JV was quite illuminating.
(Apologies if I'm over stepping here)

You missed the best Tweet, which came from Peter Flax:

@fmk_RoI
He called you @Vaughters? So has @NealRogers/@VeloNews misquoted you saying all you know abt it from him is a Tweet?

‏@Vaughters
@fmk_RoI @nealrogers @velonews @Pflax1 I said that's the only official notification I've gotten. Crying phone call at 2am is hardly official

‏@Pflax1
@Vaughters @fmk_RoI @nealrogers @velonews I don't know - I had some tough 2am breakup calls with girlfriends that seemed pretty official

 

[blackcat]

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Peptide doping is not gene doping.

dont you remember this convo before? we have had this discussion. this is the analogy, for other lay people like me.

the pathway targeted is via your pituitary to create your own endogenous(tautology/pleonasm) hgh or whatever else other androgens.

we have had this convo previously, you have "corrected" me previously, where I made it patently clear my point

 

[Semper Fidelis]

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As his Twitter comments showed, JV knew more that he implied to VN he knew.

If I may, there's no need for modesty. Your exchange with JV was quite illuminating.
(Apologies if I'm over stepping here)

@fmk_RoI Nov 6
@Vaughters So did Tommy D call you up? Or did you just give him time off cause you thought he looked like he needed a rest?

@Vaughters
@fmk_RoI yeah, he called me, obviously.

@fmk_RoI
He called you @Vaughters? So has @NealRogers/@VeloNews misquoted you saying all you know abt it from him is a Tweet?


‏@Vaughters
@fmk_RoI @nealrogers @velonews @Pflax1 I said that's the only official notification I've gotten. Crying phone call at 2am is hardly official

@Pflax1
@fmk_RoI @Vaughters @nealrogers @velonews Cmon man, didn't you see all the uses of official/officially?

fmk_RoI
@Pflax1 Yeah but it's always nice to get @Vaughters to confirm he's sprouting bollix meant to mislead, you know?

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@fmk_RoI Nov 6
Well well well. Blocked by @Vaughters. Was it something I said?

Hilarious! Vaughters is a tool and a liar too. I lol that people still believe anything he says anymore.

He's like Alexi Grewal, Only says things that fit his agenda and if you to against it, you're blocked. Typical response when folks know the jig is up on what you say.

Yeah but like wtf not everything Alexi says is rubish. But hey man you are in your own GL world and guess what it fits the agenda so roll with that.

@ JV what a freaking tool. We should nic name him the bee-sting.