Teams & Riders Tom Dumoulin discussion thread

[silvergrenade]

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He said in an interview afterwards he maybe should've just kept going on the descent. He waited on Reichenbach twice cause Reichenbach wanted to ride with him on the flat but Reichenbach descended "like an old lady".

Good rider but a crybaby nevertheless.
Everyone is riding their own race. They are not getting paid for riding in the wind for him.
Meh...

You're going to have to work on your comprehensive reading ability. He's not crying over Reichenbach's descending skills. He's 2nd guessing his tactics because of Reichenbach's descending skills...

Apart from that this whole "Dumoulin always needs others to ride for him" vibe in here is getting old. Aru beat Dumoulin in the Vuelta because of teammates and teammates of others. Not because Aru "put his nose in the wind" and Dumoulin was only relying on others. And you'd have to go back a long way to find a GT winner with a worse team then he had last year. Yet all people will whine about is a group of riders that decided to pull with him for 15k in one stage of last years giro.

It becomes even worse when Froome fans start talking BS like that. Froome wouldn't have half the GT wins if he didn't have his personal train with him just about everywhere he goes...

Stop stereotyping man.
I have a lot of respect for Tom. I also think he's one big crybaby.
He's been crying all the Giro when Yates has gone up the road.
Plus making personal statements like some x rider descending like an "old lady" goes really really badly.
Friends and allies are important in cycling. Dont think he'll have a lot of them left if he keeps using his big mouth.
It becomes worse when some TD fans think its okay to badmouth riders.

 

[silvergrenade]

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Yeah. Dumoulin does everything alone almost. Give him a break. He did a great Giro defense regardless of what happens tomorrow. Everyone bar Dumoulin is 4 minutes down. He has shown that he is the 2nd most consistent GT rider atm

I would say he's the most consistent GT rider atm.

 

[Red Rick]

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Yeah. Dumoulin does everything alone almost. Give him a break. He did a great Giro defense regardless of what happens tomorrow. Everyone bar Dumoulin is 4 minutes down. He has shown that he is the 2nd most consistent GT rider atm

I'd argue he's the most consistent rider within the Giro, though Froome's average is higher.

Honestly I'd be interested in how well he climbs on big climbs outside of GTs he peaks for, cause with the Giro you basically only ride TA and that didn't go so well this year.

 

[mavmav]

Re: Re:

He said in an interview afterwards he maybe should've just kept going on the descent. He waited on Reichenbach twice cause Reichenbach wanted to ride with him on the flat but Reichenbach descended "like an old lady".

Good rider but a crybaby nevertheless.
Everyone is riding their own race. They are not getting paid for riding in the wind for him.
Meh...

You're going to have to work on your comprehensive reading ability. He's not crying over Reichenbach's descending skills. He's 2nd guessing his tactics because of Reichenbach's descending skills...

Apart from that this whole "Dumoulin always needs others to ride for him" vibe in here is getting old. Aru beat Dumoulin in the Vuelta because of teammates and teammates of others. Not because Aru "put his nose in the wind" and Dumoulin was only relying on others. And you'd have to go back a long way to find a GT winner with a worse team then he had last year. Yet all people will whine about is a group of riders that decided to pull with him for 15k in one stage of last years giro.

It becomes even worse when Froome fans start talking BS like that. Froome wouldn't have half the GT wins if he didn't have his personal train with him just about everywhere he goes...

Stop stereotyping man.
I have a lot of respect for Tom. I also think he's one big crybaby.
He's been crying all the Giro when Yates has gone up the road.
Plus making personal statements like some x rider descending like an "old lady" goes really really badly.
Friends and allies are important in cycling. Dont think he'll have a lot of them left if he keeps using his big mouth.
It becomes worse when some TD fans think its okay to badmouth riders.

Badmouth other riders... Seriously...?

"dalen als een oud vrouwtje" as Dumoulin probably said is a harmless comment. It's a Dutch saying that is used in cycling to describe a rider, any rider that isn't very good at descending. By riders, journalists and fans. Just like "Hij sprint als een strijkijzer" (He sprints like a flat iron). I'm well aware Dutch directness is often perceived as rude or arrogant. But I wouldn't even qualify this as such.

You're looking for something that isn't there...

 

[silvergrenade]

Re: Re:

He said in an interview afterwards he maybe should've just kept going on the descent. He waited on Reichenbach twice cause Reichenbach wanted to ride with him on the flat but Reichenbach descended "like an old lady".

Good rider but a crybaby nevertheless.
Everyone is riding their own race. They are not getting paid for riding in the wind for him.
Meh...

You're going to have to work on your comprehensive reading ability. He's not crying over Reichenbach's descending skills. He's 2nd guessing his tactics because of Reichenbach's descending skills...

Apart from that this whole "Dumoulin always needs others to ride for him" vibe in here is getting old. Aru beat Dumoulin in the Vuelta because of teammates and teammates of others. Not because Aru "put his nose in the wind" and Dumoulin was only relying on others. And you'd have to go back a long way to find a GT winner with a worse team then he had last year. Yet all people will whine about is a group of riders that decided to pull with him for 15k in one stage of last years giro.

It becomes even worse when Froome fans start talking BS like that. Froome wouldn't have half the GT wins if he didn't have his personal train with him just about everywhere he goes...

Stop stereotyping man.
I have a lot of respect for Tom. I also think he's one big crybaby.
He's been crying all the Giro when Yates has gone up the road.
Plus making personal statements like some x rider descending like an "old lady" goes really really badly.
Friends and allies are important in cycling. Dont think he'll have a lot of them left if he keeps using his big mouth.
It becomes worse when some TD fans think its okay to badmouth riders.

Badmouth other riders... Seriously...?

"dalen als een oud vrouwtje" as Dumoulin probably said is a harmless comment. It's a Dutch saying that is used in cycling to describe a rider, any rider that isn't very good at descending. By riders, journalists and fans. Just like "Hij sprint als een strijkijzer" (He sprints like a flat iron). I'm well aware Dutch directness is often perceived as rude or arrogant. But I wouldn't even qualify this as such.

You're looking for something that isn't there...

Cool...I respect your opinion.

 

[dutchdescent]

Re: Re:

He said in an interview afterwards he maybe should've just kept going on the descent. He waited on Reichenbach twice cause Reichenbach wanted to ride with him on the flat but Reichenbach descended "like an old lady".

Good rider but a crybaby nevertheless.
Everyone is riding their own race. They are not getting paid for riding in the wind for him.
Meh...

You're going to have to work on your comprehensive reading ability. He's not crying over Reichenbach's descending skills. He's 2nd guessing his tactics because of Reichenbach's descending skills...

Apart from that this whole "Dumoulin always needs others to ride for him" vibe in here is getting old. Aru beat Dumoulin in the Vuelta because of teammates and teammates of others. Not because Aru "put his nose in the wind" and Dumoulin was only relying on others. And you'd have to go back a long way to find a GT winner with a worse team then he had last year. Yet all people will whine about is a group of riders that decided to pull with him for 15k in one stage of last years giro.

It becomes even worse when Froome fans start talking BS like that. Froome wouldn't have half the GT wins if he didn't have his personal train with him just about everywhere he goes...

Stop stereotyping man.
I have a lot of respect for Tom. I also think he's one big crybaby.
He's been crying all the Giro when Yates has gone up the road.
Plus making personal statements like some x rider descending like an "old lady" goes really really badly.
Friends and allies are important in cycling. Dont think he'll have a lot of them left if he keeps using his big mouth.
It becomes worse when some TD fans think its okay to badmouth riders.

Badmouth other riders... Seriously...?

"dalen als een oud vrouwtje" as Dumoulin probably said is a harmless comment. It's a Dutch saying that is used in cycling to describe a rider, any rider that isn't very good at descending. By riders, journalists and fans. Just like "Hij sprint als een strijkijzer" (He sprints like a flat iron). I'm well aware Dutch directness is often perceived as rude or arrogant. But I wouldn't even qualify this as such.

You're looking for something that isn't there...

Actually, the point in case here proofs itself by the reaction from other people to our (yes I am Dutch myself) directness. In an international setting it will be perceived as arrogant or whining, even if we think it's perfectly normal speaking our minds. I think TD being an intelligent man should be well aware of this. In fact I do also find him a tad whiny at times. It's his own bad judgement that he waits for Reichenbach. Even a bit weird actually considering the other day he was in a similar chasing situation (yes granted not that far out as today) and 'complained' about the others messing about instead of helping him chase Yates and that he would've been faster going solo.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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Regarding Lopez and Carapaz yes, but at the top of the Finestre with 75km (mostly flat/rolling) to go he thought it would be smarter to ride with five. The gap was "only" 40s.

In hindsight the smartest thing would have been to drop Lopez just before the top so Carapaz & Pinot would have co-operated, but Pinot had a mechanical and I guess he was on the limit himself.

I agree, the same mistake twice. But from my point of view he is not a crying about it because he admitted it was his own mistake. I think the only reason is that he felt that the pink was slipping away when he saw CF disappear. A little bit of panic in his head. Just like earlier this giro.

But we also should acknowledge that everyone but CF is down over 4 min in a Giro without alot of TT kms.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying he's whining. I'm just disappointed that he made the same mistake twice. He's got a big engine, or he wouldn't be there. He's the worldchamp ITT. He's holding the key to victory after Yates imploded. He should have managed Froome's gap better. Sure, when the gap is only 40s and he's got a 3 minute lead in the overall, he shouldn't go bezerk and blow himself up. But when he notices that Froome is gradually expanding the gap, he shouldn't wait for 2nd rate timetrialers to do the work for him.

 

[Tonton]

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Yeah. Dumoulin does everything alone almost. Give him a break. He did a great Giro defense regardless of what happens tomorrow. Everyone bar Dumoulin is 4 minutes down. He has shown that he is the 2nd most consistent GT rider atm

I will correct you my friend: the first most consistent.

Sky must lose firepower before the last climb, which suits Tom well. All hope is not lost.

Vai Tom, vai!

 

[Big Doopie]

not sure what the anxiety is.

dumo wins as long as he doesn't lose 3+ mins to those behind him.

no way a froome win should stand. just like contador's 2011 non-win.

sucks for giro, but thems the rules, baby.

anyway, dumo is the greatest GC rider of his generation. in any other era (with normal ITT kms), dumo would be winning 10 GTs.

 

[jmdirt]

So Dumo has to hope that today took a lot out of Froome's legs and hit him hard tomorrow.

 

[cellardoor]

Froome will probably recover fine, but they have to at least test him and not just allow Sky to control things until the last few km. Sunweb need to finally step up and actually do something in this race other than trying to hang on to a top 10 for Oomen. So long as Sky keep the break in reasonable check I don't think any other teams will have a reason to ride.

 

[Red Rick]

Fought to the very end. Too bad it made no matter.

Not a Giro to scoff at at all.

 

[Hayabusa]

Classy ride from Tom at the end there. He'll be back.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Most consistent rider, far ahead of the rest in one of the hardest giros with almost no tt to speak of. Only a ET Froome 3rd week stopped him from winning again. Let it be known that Dumoulin is not just some time trialler who can climb a bit. Let it be known he is at least in the same class as Nibali and Quintana as GT rider. Ignore DFA and his stupid antics.

 

[Alexandre B.]

He should've won the race. Back-to-back.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Most consistent rider, far ahead of the rest in one of the hardest giros with almost no tt to speak of. Only a ET Froome 3rd week stopped him from winning again. Let it be known that Dumoulin is not just some time trialler who can climb a bit. Let it be known he is at least in the same class as Nibali and Quintana as GT rider. Ignore DFA and his stupid antics.

+1
This Giro, he showed he is here to stay and last year wasn't a fluke. Great overall performance.

 

[deValtos]

Despite not winning he certainly backed up his performance last year. He's going to be a force for a long time and not a one off like a lot of other GC riders.

 

[Screecher]

Tom could still win this Giro if Froome gets banned and his results removed. I wouldn't be waving a white flag just yet.

 

[JosephK]

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+1
This Giro, he showed he is here to stay and last year wasn't a fluke. Great overall performance.

Agreed. And to those who think TD might still have won this Giro if he had somehow miraculously limited his losses better after yesterday, think again. Froome would have pulled time out on the final climb today, fresh as a daisy. Dumoulin earned a great 2nd place finish.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Tom could still win this Giro if Froome gets banned and his results removed. I wouldn't be waving a white flag just yet.

unfortunately, that's never going to happen

 

[DFA123]

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Most consistent rider, far ahead of the rest in one of the hardest giros with almost no tt to speak of. Only a ET Froome 3rd week stopped him from winning again. Let it be known that Dumoulin is not just some time trialler who can climb a bit. Let it be known he is at least in the same class as Nibali and Quintana as GT rider. Ignore DFA and his stupid antics.

Why the personal attacks all the time, just because your hero lost? Grow up - your opinion is just that - an opinion, not fact. I thought Dumoulin rode a good race - he made a few poor tactical decisions, but generally was very consistent. He just lacks that top level in the mountains. He's clearly not as good as a top form Quintana or Nibali, but he may be more consistent than both of them, which is certainly a strength.

I'd like to see him try his hand at the Tour. The Giro is always a slightly soft option because you generally don't face the best riders on peak form. Will be interesting to see if he takes the easy route again next year.

 

[phil-i-am]

Massive respect for Tom. He's easily in one of best GC riders in current peleton. Dumo and Dawg were clearly class above the rest.

 

[EroicaStradeBianche]

Dumoulin is a class above everyone, only Froome's absurd ride denied him a second Giro

 

[Stella0596]

I think it's unfair to say Dumoulin didn't have top level in the mountains.. He finished more than 4 minutes ahead of other great climbers... saying he didn't climb that well just isn't true.

 

[DFA123]

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I think it's unfair to say Dumoulin didn't have top level in the mountains.. He finished more than 4 minutes ahead of other great climbers... saying he didn't climb that well just isn't true.

Well he was probably the third best climber in this race. He did climb well. He just doesn't have the top level in the mountains that the best stage racers in the world have: Froome, Quintana, Nibali, Landa, Valverde, Porte are just a level above. What he has which some of them don't is consistency. But against the best riders on top form, he's always going to come up short on the climbs.