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Teams & Riders Tom Dumoulin discussion thread

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Tom is exactly the type of rider who should be winning GTs. He is an all-rounder. Quintana on the other hand, is exactly the type of rider who should be winning only mountain classifications and hard mountains. He is just not the complete package and I hate the trend of the last years when GT profiles favours this type of riders. Lets hope Tom gets this one.
 
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rehy90 said:
Tom is exactly the type of rider who should be winning GTs. He is an all-rounder. Quintana on the other hand, is exactly the type of rider who should be winning only mountain classifications and hard mountains. He is just not the complete package and I hate the trend of the last years when GT profiles favours this type of riders. Lets hope Tom gets this one.
I somewhat agree with the overall sentiments, but pure climbers should absolutely be able to win GT's if they can stay out of trouble on the flat days (which Quintana is very good at) and limiting the losses in the time trials.

You don't have to be amazing all-rounders like Jungels, Dumoulin or Thomas to win a GT.
 
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rehy90 said:
Tom is exactly the type of rider who should be winning GTs. He is an all-rounder. Quintana on the other hand, is exactly the type of rider who should be winning only mountain classifications and hard mountains. He is just not the complete package and I hate the trend of the last years when GT profiles favours this type of riders. Lets hope Tom gets this one.

Looking at the video highlights today Tom reminded me of Indurain in his Banesto colours. Then I realised Big Mig was still nearly 10Kgs more! This is like David and Goliath in reverse. These years the favourites are wispy sub 62Kg climbers (AC's weight) so when a 70Kg guy who can TT comes along they are underdogs. In 1998 I rooted for Pantani at the Tour. But in 2017 I will root for Dumoulin at the Giro!
 
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Red Rick said:
Susan Westemeyer said:
Red Rick said:
I'd translate what Dumoulin said in his interviews, but it's not exactly nice. He was competely pissed.

That would interest me too. I understand he said Mollema did nothing but wheel suck.
Mollema admitted he didn't do anything and that Dumoulin was stronger today.

Anyway, Dumoulin

didn't have mixed feelings, it was complete ****

He wasn't surprised about riding well.

Kelderman was riding really well, 'top 10 here for sure'. Would've been top 10

They couldn't do anything about the moto, Dumoulin can't believe it. Called him a '****' and a 'mongoloid' in his first interview after the finish I think

He's not really taking positives from this. He was mostly describing the situation with various words for genitalia

Hmmm.....In my book, there were two people who could have avoided that crash, the motor driver and Domoulin himself. He was at the front of the Sunweb chain moving up. He's able to avoid the moto, but apparently not able to shout or indicate a warning to his teammate behind. OK, I know I don't cycle at the speeds these guys do, but I don't like anyone cycling in a group without warning of obstacles.
I must be talking sh**e, as no one else has suggested this :razz:
 
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coinneach said:
Red Rick said:
Susan Westemeyer said:
Red Rick said:
I'd translate what Dumoulin said in his interviews, but it's not exactly nice. He was competely pissed.

That would interest me too. I understand he said Mollema did nothing but wheel suck.
Mollema admitted he didn't do anything and that Dumoulin was stronger today.

Anyway, Dumoulin

didn't have mixed feelings, it was complete ****

He wasn't surprised about riding well.

Kelderman was riding really well, 'top 10 here for sure'. Would've been top 10

They couldn't do anything about the moto, Dumoulin can't believe it. Called him a '****' and a 'mongoloid' in his first interview after the finish I think

He's not really taking positives from this. He was mostly describing the situation with various words for genitalia

Hmmm.....In my book, there were two people who could have avoided that crash, the motor driver and Domoulin himself. He was at the front of the Sunweb chain moving up. He's able to avoid the moto, but apparently not able to shout or indicate a warning to his teammate behind. OK, I know I don't cycle at the speeds these guys do, but I don't like anyone cycling in a group without warning of obstacles.
I must be talking sh**e, as no one else has suggested this :razz:
I thought the same to an extent. Dumoulin was the one who swerved out of the way at the last second. No signal, no warning - it wasn't the finest bit of teamwork for sure.
 
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Gigs_98 said:
Red Rick said:
Have there been any comments on Dumoulin's plans after the Giro, apart from not riding the Tour? Vuelta stage hunting + WC ITT?
Why not going for Vuelta GC?
Cause he's way more likely to win the Worlds ITT and going for GC at the Vuelta is gonna hurt those chances.

Also, 1 TT, and about 9 uphill/MTFs, including the Angliru.

Now if he keeps close to matching Quintana, it would actually be possible, but then he could pick a few stages, win them, win WCITT and win the Vuelta another time.
 
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rehy90 said:
Tom is exactly the type of rider who should be winning GTs. He is an all-rounder. Quintana on the other hand, is exactly the type of rider who should be winning only mountain classifications and hard mountains. He is just not the complete package and I hate the trend of the last years when GT profiles favours this type of riders. Lets hope Tom gets this one.
I agree on all points.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
rehy90 said:
Tom is exactly the type of rider who should be winning GTs. He is an all-rounder. Quintana on the other hand, is exactly the type of rider who should be winning only mountain classifications and hard mountains. He is just not the complete package and I hate the trend of the last years when GT profiles favours this type of riders. Lets hope Tom gets this one.
I somewhat agree with the overall sentiments, but pure climbers should absolutely be able to win GT's if they can stay out of trouble on the flat days (which Quintana is very good at) and limiting the losses in the time trials.

You don't have to be amazing all-rounders like Jungels, Dumoulin or Thomas to win a GT.
Exactly this. GTs should absolutely be won by all rounders, but Quintana is an all rounder. His results in GT time trials since 2014 are (excluding prologue): 13th, 1st, 6th, 20th, 10th, 11th and today's result - 23rd. If you don't consider that as good enough for an all rounder, then you're basically excluding anyone under 60kg from ever winning a GT, because you can't do much better than that at his weight. Of course he's better at climbing, but the reason he can win GTs (and riders like Purito can't), is because he holds his own against the clock.

Quintana's TT record is as good as, if not better than Dumoulin's climbing record in GTs.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Prudhomme will be thinking to himself: 30 kilometres of time trial so Quintana can challenge Froome or 90 km so Dumoulin can.
Isn't Froome a better TTer than Dumoulin at his best though? At least if they are both going for GC, rather than Dumoulin targetting them specifically?

Thomas was 'only' 49 seconds slower today; on TdF form Froome would have won the stage I think.
 
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DFA123 said:
Valv.Piti said:
Prudhomme will be thinking to himself: 30 kilometres of time trial so Quintana can challenge Froome or 90 km so Dumoulin can.
Isn't Froome a better TTer than Dumoulin at his best though? At least if they are both going for GC, rather than Dumoulin targetting them specifically?

Thomas was 'only' 49 seconds slower today; on TdF form Froome would have won the stage I think.

I was riding my bike this afternoon and I was thinking the exact same thing. How does this TT performance compare to a fully prepared Froome.

Tom was good today, but I rate his climb from sunday even higher.
 
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DFA123 said:
Valv.Piti said:
Prudhomme will be thinking to himself: 30 kilometres of time trial so Quintana can challenge Froome or 90 km so Dumoulin can.
Isn't Froome a better TTer than Dumoulin at his best though? At least if they are both going for GC, rather than Dumoulin targetting them specifically?

Thomas was 'only' 49 seconds slower today; on TdF form Froome would have won the stage I think.

At the TdF, yes. At the Giro or Vuelta, no.