Teams & Riders Tom Dumoulin discussion thread

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There's no way Barguil is seen as their top GC prospect now.

I'm still amazed he managed to win despite giving away 2 minutes. The bad day is always there, so that 1'20, he would've lost anyway in Piancovallo.
But without the incident, he'd won by a fair margin, and that should give a lot of confidence for next GT's. He wouldn't have needed the 2nd ITT..
 
I dont know if this was mentioned before,mbut Dumoulin has the most stage wins (7) in GT's since the Vuelta of 2015.
Greipel is next with 5 wins.

Ofcourse starting from the Vuelta 2015 is an ideal statistic for Tom, but it's still quite amazing.

Considering this and winning a GT as well it means that this guy is slowly starting to join the very elite club riders in the pro peloton.
 
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Remember, Nibali and Quintana were dead themselves in the last week, even fresher lads like Zakarin and Pinot never cracked him dead.

Remember guys, this guy defeated Froome with virtually no intensive training in the Olympics after recovering from a broken wrist. This guy can only be broken with an acceleration like Soler or Purito, he will always make 2 min good on everyone except Froome in TTs.... if it is not Froome that will break him, this will not be his last. The only two if not Froome that can equal him in the TT while riding the GTs are Porte and Thomas. Both already over 30 so not improving much. He looks unbeatable...

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Red Rick said:
I've seen no Dutch website or journalist say anything about a possible TdF victory. Great to see

I'm guessing that's only because we don't expect to see a course like 2012 again for a while

Nonsense. Everyone from Joop Zoetemelk to all pundits including nearly every popular Dutch rider have already teased it. All the big daily talk-shows had already suggesting it by giving him his own daily 15 min segments, something I have not seen in the regular talk-shows for something breaking or related to football ever. Newspapers started the week finding every former GT stage winner asking if he could win. Even Max Verstappen was nowhere to be seen.
 
I'm excited to see if he can challenge the dawg in the future.
More confidence in him than in Quintana or any other climber,strictly speaking

He showed absurd consistency over the last week and also a great signature peak (Oropa)
 
Kwibus said:
I dont know if this was mentioned before,mbut Dumoulin has the most stage wins (7) in GT's since the Vuelta of 2015.
Greipel is next with 5 wins.

Ofcourse starting from the Vuelta 2015 is an ideal statistic for Tom, but it's still quite amazing.

Considering this and winning a GT as well it means that this guy is slowly starting to join the very elite club riders in the pro peloton.
That's quite a lot, when you think of what the other GT contenders have won (unofficially, so on the day):
13 - Valverde
10 - Nibali, Froome, Contador
5 - Quintana
 
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I'm a bit ambivalent about this win. I sorta like Dumoulin, and no one deserved it more than him, but I can't shake the feeling that he didn't do enough. That in normal circumstances, with rivals worth a damn, his two mistakes should absolutely have cost him the race. That he wasn't really pushed to his limits.

Still, as I said, no one deserved it more than him, so kudos for that.

in terms of rivals I don't think that's entirely fair. His two closest challengers won two of the last three GTs. Short of Froome these guys are as good as it currently gets. I do think though that his two big issues would have cost him a Tour, not because his rivals would be much better but because Tour level support teams would have buried him once he was off the back.

That was the real problem with the level of competition - Sunweb were poor, Bahrain were almost as poor and Movistar, while reasonably good, weren't at their own Tour level or anywhere near Sky's Tour level. Sky had the strongest support team here but they spent their time murdering most riders in the breakaway rather than putting the knife into Tom.

Wilco Kelderman, whether he intended on doing this or not, threw his road captain a huge freebie by taking Geraint Thomas and Mikel Landa out of the GC race.

Had they been there, Sky would have punished Sunweb along with Movistar.

Clever move Kelderman. Clever move.
 
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lenric said:
movingtarget said:
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A guy who just won also costs a lot more money, so there's that.

Question is if he needs anymore if he is gonna seriously target TdF. I wouldn't bet on Sunweb controlling anything anyways, Sky is there.

It will make more sense to build a better team around him than go to Sky but of course that costs money with salary increase as well. He should get good publicity out of this so i am sure some sponsors will be interested. It would make no sense going to Sky until Froome disappeared or stopped winning GTS. Money is important and athletes have short careers so riders like Landa have a lot of thinking to do also. Porte made the right move leaving Sky but also needs a better team. I am sure BMC would also be interested in Dumoulin in maybe two years time pending Porte's performances although Porte is only signed until the end of this season and TJVG as a team leader in GTs is also up int the air at the moment.

Somehow I can't see Dumoulin going to BMC (though he fits the profile). Imo, that's a ship that has already sailed. Dumoulin is destined to go to Sky.

However, I can see Jungels going to BMC.

Yeah Jungels could be the TJVG replacement. It's hard to see TJVG getting another shot as team leader and his final week was quite good with the pressure off. He won a stage and even his final TT was an improvement so they might restructure his contract and keep him as a stage hunter/domestique and set him for one week stage races. Whether TJVG would like that is another thing !

Yeah, can't really see TJVG agreeing with that. At least according to his reaction to his stage win.
I also don't think Rohan Dennis will end up a top-5 GC contender. Even for the remaining top-10 I have doubts... and Porte will be 32 years-old this year, so he doesn't have many years left.

I still think TJ will get another shot. The last one.
And they'll either get Jungels (completely fits the profile of their GC riders), Bauke Mollema or Uran (also fits the profile).

Mollema is lower calibre than Porte. Porte performs better than he does.

Uran...not a chance anymore. He would not have signed to Cannondale aka Garmin if this were true.

Rohan Dennis is not a GC rider. He's not even close to being a good enough climber over the course of 3 weeks, let alone 2 weeks, to warrant such talk. It's over hyped Aussie journalism that has waved that card.

Porte is BMC's man. Uran and Mollema would make GOOD climbing domestiques. Uran also HAD, but no longer has, a time trial to fear. He could potentially recover it.

Dumoulin won't go to BMC. He won't leave Sunweb either.

Barguil competing? Don't make me laugh. If he suddenly stops dropping time against the other GC riders on the climbs then this is clinic material. But he COULD...

Dumoulin has slightly more help than Kruisjwijk does.

Astana would be a good fit for him. They've got lots of resources. But he's not going there.

He's staying put and that's all that is required. Does any of this mean Tejay van Garderen gets another GC chance?

Who cares!?!? It won't work barring major clinic activity, so we've got nothing to discuss. Landa is the one rider who has the calibre to be a serious threat and doesn't seem to be doing much post 2015....we'll see.

Anybody forget about Aru? He's been a bit off since 2015 as well. Tom could go the same way. But one thing is clear, nobody is going to be forgetting the threat he poses in future. He'll be attacked and marked when he is dangerous in future.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Dumoulin just debunked marginal gains on his own, its all about marginal dumbs instead.

Seriously tho isn't he one of the biggest Dutch athletes current now (I have no clue who you guys also have).
Speed skaters, most notably Sven Kramer
1 Formula one dude who gets all the attention in the world in here
Footbal players and a failing national team
Few sailers and surfers
Dafne Schippers
Field hockey teams
Ladies handball

Thats about it. Dumoulin should definitely be the biggest thing tho
 
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Galic Ho said:
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Aussie journalism isn't even talking about Dennis at the moment. It's BMC who want to see what he can do. He actually has to ride a GT and even complete one before he can be written off completely. No one is saying he will make the top 10 or 20. The whole idea was for Dennis to ride for TJVG and finish the three weeks that doesn't sound like anything spectacular to me. BMC are trying to see if he can handle the GT format then they will worry about performance. As for Dumoulin I agree he is better to stay put but if someone comes along in the future with a big offer he will probably take it if his team can't match it. That's the way sport usually works. Most people don't turn down lucrative offers but if Sunweb adds some climbers and find more sponsorship who knows, he might ride for them for a long time.
 
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I'd love to see whether Dumoulin would be able to hold Froome's wheel in a PSM or Ax3 type stage at the Tour in which Sky's superdomestiques have been drilling it at 400 watt to cull the weak. Hopefully we'll see that next year
 
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Red Rick said:
Speed skaters, most notably Sven Kramer
1 Formula one dude who gets all the attention in the world in here
Footbal players and a failing national team
Few sailers and surfers
Dafne Schippers
Field hockey teams
Ladies handball

Thats about it. Dumoulin should definitely be the biggest thing tho

The Dutch are also easily the best country in the world when it comes to kickboxing, at least in the heavyweights (for lower weight classes Thailand is the best). They have been for decades producing many of the all time greats in that sport, but for some incomprehensible reason it gets almost zero coverage in most Dutch media.
 
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SeriousSam said:
I'd love to see whether Dumoulin would be able to hold Froome's wheel in a PSM or Ax3 type stage at the Tour in which Sky's superdomestiques have been drilling it at 400 watt to cull the weak. Hopefully we'll see that next year

Even if he couldn't hold the wheel, he wouldn't blow himself up trying. He'd pace himself and stay in contention to fight another day. That's one reason why I think he will be good against Froome. He rides within himself when he needs to, but can still be aggressive other times.
 
Ofcourse that could bring problems when the aggression starts early in a multi mountain stage. But this Giro he's always been able to be there until the final climb, and then limit the damage, and on a good day even deal the damage (Oropa, Blockhaus, he could've done damage on Ortisei as well if the finish was uphill)
 
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DanielSong39 said:
Great performance to win the Giro but let's hold off on the superstar talk for now. It wasn't too long ago when it looked like Aru was destined for greatness.
Indeed, I wanna see him replicate this performance first and I doubt he can do that in this year's Vuelta (if he targets it).
The Giro or Tour next year, however, depending on route and such.