Pinot needs to stick another 4 minutes into TD to be a threat, losing a minute today was fine.
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I never liked nibali, never, but this time i'm totally agree with him. What did Tom expect? Ask an help to people who win almost everything ...for what? To secure a podium?! Nibali and quintana? It is obvious Tom has never won anything.
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I never liked nibali, never, but this time i'm totally agree with him. What did Tom expect? Ask an help to people who win almost everything ...for what? To secure a podium?! Nibali and quintana? It is obvious Tom has never won anything.
I wouldn't draw too much from some throw away comments on the finish line after an incredibly tough day on the bike. It would be hard enough for most of us to be coherent after doing that route, let alone make reasoned analysis of why our mates are wheelsuckers...
I'd expect Dumoulin to ride the Vuelta later this year. This will top him off for the 2018 TDF.
He's becoming overconfident. Yeah I don't like it either. it's better to keep as many friends as possible if you have such a weak team. Now he just ignites the anger in Nibali and all. Not smart.
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Or worse, he's igniting the anger within the tifosi. I'm fully expecting a Froome treatment tomorrow now.Dekker_Tifosi said:
It's still too early to congratulate him on the overall. There are still two more mountain stages where he could easily lose minutes, even though he looked pretty darn good today. He is getting confidence as each tough stage is being counted, and his cockiness is showing a bit, but he needs to stay composed and be smart. No need to go at the front and do the work, unless of course he feels that his position is in danger. Neither Nibali nor Quintana have looked super apart from Quintana's attack on Blockhaus and Nibali's win two days ago. Dumoulin must know this, perhaps that's why he is sounding a bit cocky.
Without the nature break incident, he obviously would have been in a real good position now, but even with 2 or 3 minute buffer it's still not a done deal. It's also not a given that he'll just cruise in the TT. He could be having a bad day, mechanical issues...
Without the nature break incident, he obviously would have been in a real good position now, but even with 2 or 3 minute buffer it's still not a done deal. It's also not a given that he'll just cruise in the TT. He could be having a bad day, mechanical issues...
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To have a strong personality and to speak your mind is not necessarily a good thing, you know.classicomano said:
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Nah, the way Froome is treated in the Tour is so bad I doubt it is even replicable anywhere else.
And recently the only one I remember of riders being treated really bad were Contador in 2011 in one particular stage that had to be shortened due to security and a rumor circulated about him and/or Riis being the one responsible for that. Also Menchov was boo-ed pretty bad in one or two stages near Di Luca's hometown in 2009.
TomD will be fine I think...
P.s. Just saw this video of Domoulin and Quintana meeting after the stage, anybody understands what he is saying to Quintana?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7DaVIX1IBs
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Nah, the way Froome is treated in the Tour is so bad I doubt it is even replicable anywhere else.
And recently the only one I remember of riders being treated really bad were Contador in 2011 in one particular stage that had to be shortened due to security and a rumor circulated about him and/or Riis being the one responsible for that. Also Menchov was boo-ed pretty bad in one or two stages near Di Luca's hometown in 2009.
TomD will be fine I think...
P.s. Just saw this video of Domoulin and Quintana meeting after the stage, anybody understands what he is saying to Quintana?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7DaVIX1IBs
Maybe he feels really good and has taken everything Nibali and NQ can throw at him in his stride. He's telling them that if you want to win this race, you got to get past me but if you don't attack me then you ain't gonna win. I don't think Nibali and NQ expected TD to be this good and have been expecting a 2 horse race by this point, not chasing it. They just don't like it.
Hmm
On Dutch TV he is a lot more nuanced. Says Nibali and Quintana are clearly in a pact and that's understandable. Then complains a bit that Kruijswijk and Mollema can't form a 'counter-pact' with him instead.
Then he says he is definately not certain and says any bad day like in the Vuelta 2015 could still ruin everything.
On Dutch TV he is a lot more nuanced. Says Nibali and Quintana are clearly in a pact and that's understandable. Then complains a bit that Kruijswijk and Mollema can't form a 'counter-pact' with him instead.
Then he says he is definately not certain and says any bad day like in the Vuelta 2015 could still ruin everything.
the damage has been done.no matter how much pr damage control is trying to do,he has lost a lot of friends in the peloton today.
He has every reason to be confident though. Firstly, because by now he knows he has the recovery to go all the way and secondly his two main rivals aren't climbing much if at all better than himself. The latter is an absolutely crucial requirement for any significant attack (long range or not) to succeed given the stages left.
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I don't understand the reasons why Mollema and S.K. would form alliances with him. Alliances with Zaka, Pinot and Pozzo instead, would make much more sense.
Now that I think about it, the trolling of Nibali and Quintana might have been made to form alliances with the aforement
Wait, what...? I thought they hated each other. Can't keep up with all the latest gossip in the peloton. Is Visconti the go between?Dekker_Tifosi said:
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It is. Imagine if everyone was like Quintana. Some verbal back and forth makes things more fun.Baldinger said:
Quintana, Nibali and the tifosi will be out for blood!
Obviously it really won't matter if he has the same legs as today, especially not as its basically a monoclimb stage.. but it could still do damage if he has a not so great day as its a really hard climb, especially in the bottom. I called it the Italian Alpe d Huez before, but its probably a lot more similar to PSM.
Obviously it really won't matter if he has the same legs as today, especially not as its basically a monoclimb stage.. but it could still do damage if he has a not so great day as its a really hard climb, especially in the bottom. I called it the Italian Alpe d Huez before, but its probably a lot more similar to PSM.
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In the Eurosport Interview he almost literally said "I hope Pinot gets on the podium"
with the current time gaps, Pinot and Zakarin have nothing to gain letting Nibali or Q go. By doing so they won't win and the podium becomes less likely. They'll take their chances against Dumoulin on the MTF, but Nibs and Q invited the rest of the field in the podium battle.
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