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xnobrakesx said:
You live in absolutes. My point is just that we should be careful with every positive test. My statement did not say he was innocent, nor guilty. I just don't understand why it is so easy to dismiss an accidental usage of a banned substance as simply an accident. This doesn't mean he is not at fault for what substances he puts in his body, but DHEA is in a lot of over the counter items and mistakes happen.

He is a college graduate, so I doubt he will be mowing your lawn anytime soon, your son's allowance should be safe.

My disgust is certainly not with you or your post (facts or opinion). I could not be more sad to watch the information about any rider even questioned about drug use let alone caught, finding its way to print. The tests should be done on the sample completely both A,B and re-sample taken from the rider for cause. An A sample positive result should not be part of the process, the B sample should be tested and confirmed positive before the rider is notified(vilified) and more important before the press is contacted. A,B equals double checking things before ruining a racer. You even measure twice before cutting a chunk of wood in half let alone a person. Your point about being a college grad taking you off the lawn mowing list is plain wrong. People are being denied employment because of blogs they write,photo and video content on their facebook/myspace pages and certainly previous firings. When an employer googles Tom's name he will find that he was denied employment at Garmin due to a drug use conviction by a US based sports drug posse.
 
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I agree about personal responsibility, however I still hold there is a difference when there is no intent to cheat your peers. Vinokurov with bags of blood is intent, but I'm knocking my head against a wall here.
 
xnobrakesx said:
I agree about personal responsibility, however I still hold there is a difference when there is no intent to cheat your peers. Vinokurov with bags of blood is intent, but I'm knocking my head against a wall here.

The problem is how you determine intent when all you have is a positive test. Anyone can say they got a tainted something.
 

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Zirbel gets two-year ban, retires from cycling by Neil Browne at 1:07 AM EST

According to a post on his own blog, Tom Zirbel announced his retirement from the sport of cycling. Zirbel tested positive for DHEA after the 2009 U.S. Time Trial Championships in Greenville, South Carolina in which he placed second to David Zabriskie. He announced the result of his positive on his blog in late December.

DHEA is an exogenous anabolic steroid and improves muscle strength and endurance.

Before his positive was announced, Zirbel placed fourth in the world time trial championships. That was his first race in Europe.

ZIrbel had signed a contract for the 2010 season with Garmin-Transitions. The contract was voided after he came back positive for DHEA.

“Today is the day I take back the reins. However, today is not yesterday...yesterday was the day I was to cut all ties completely,” posted Zirbel in the beginning of his blog

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http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/3250/Zirbel-retires-from-cycling.aspx
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/zirbel-gets-two-year-ban-retires-from-cycling

Let us wait and see if he keeps his promis :eek:

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Zirbel gets two-year ban, retires from cycling by Neil Browne at 1:07 AM EST

According to a post on his own blog, Tom Zirbel announced his retirement from the sport of cycling. Zirbel tested positive for DHEA after the 2009 U.S. Time Trial Championships in Greenville, South Carolina in which he placed second to David Zabriskie. He announced the result of his positive on his blog in late December.

DHEA is an exogenous anabolic steroid and improves muscle strength and endurance.

Before his positive was announced, Zirbel placed fourth in the world time trial championships. That was his first race in Europe.

ZIrbel had signed a contract for the 2010 season with Garmin-Transitions. The contract was voided after he came back positive for DHEA.

“Today is the day I take back the reins. However, today is not yesterday...yesterday was the day I was to cut all ties completely,” posted Zirbel in the beginning of his blog

More ...
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/3250/Zirbel-retires-from-cycling.aspx
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/zirbel-gets-two-year-ban-retires-from-cycling

Let us wait and see if he keeps his promis :eek:

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Yea, I don't see a lot of DS's sitting around saying to themselves "man, I can't wait till that Zirbel has finished his two years so I can sign him." I think his "retirement" is merely a recognition of his employability in two years.
 
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Zirbels attitude right now sounds like a justification to his suspension.

"Oh as a cyclist Im just so self absorbed; im gonna a better person and do greater things....I hope that works out but if not i might come back again"55


I wish him the best of luck, but that pro lifestyle will probably look a lot better after 1-2 years of regular 9-5 with meager pay and everything that comes along with it....
 
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To call Tom Zirbel self absorbed shows how little you know about him. Tom works harder for meager pay than you ever have in your 9-5. You should stick to topics you know about, like fantasy football or Nintendo.
 
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Do you "see" many DS's calling YOU for advice whether to hire Tom Zirbel? He'll have a list of offers longer than your resume has ever been. In the Pro Peloton, Tom's hard work ethic and his integrity are well known. You, however, know nothing about him except what you've read on his own blog page-and you haven't even processed that very well.
 
SeventhSon said:
Do you "see" many DS's calling YOU for advice whether to hire Tom Zirbel? He'll have a list of offers longer than your resume has ever been. In the Pro Peloton, Tom's hard work ethic and his integrity are well known. You, however, know nothing about him except what you've read on his own blog page-and you haven't even processed that very well.

And if that fails then he can always open a website named dheasino.com. :)
 
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zapata said:
The seventh son, is that the prodigal son?

I think so

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Do you "see" many DS's calling YOU for advice whether to hire Tom Zirbel? He'll have a list of offers longer than your resume has ever been. In the Pro Peloton, Tom's hard work ethic and his integrity are well known. You, however, know nothing about him except what you've read on his own blog page-and you haven't even processed that very well.

I haven't read his blog. I don't intend to.
 
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The seventh son, is that the prodigal son?

I don't think so. I think he is someone close to Zirbel and is upset that anyone doubts Zirbel's good intentions. I already said that I think there is a good chance that Zirbel was done in by tainted supplements, but my opinion was shaken when Zirbel claimed he did not know what DHEA was.
 
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SeventhSon said:
Do you "see" many DS's calling YOU for advice whether to hire Tom Zirbel? He'll have a list of offers longer than your resume has ever been. In the Pro Peloton, Tom's hard work ethic and his integrity are well known. You, however, know nothing about him except what you've read on his own blog page-and you haven't even processed that very well.

To be fair Tom is known in the Pro Peloton for two things, Big engine and poor tactical knowledge.

Yes, he is a nice guy who works hard but as Prentice Steffen said, "Nice guys dope, and bad guys dope"
 
Race Radio said:
To be fair Tom is known in the Pro Peloton for two things, Big engine and poor tactical knowledge.

Yes, he is a nice guy who works hard but as Prentice Steffen said, "Nice guys dope, and bad guys dope"

Pro cyclists are likely to fall somewhere between the extremes of nice guys who work really hard and dope and not very nice guys who work really hard and dope.
 
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Radio, you do understand that every one of those guys in the Pro Peloton who say Tom has poor tactical knowledge are still getting used to looking up at Tom's name on top of the NRC points standings?

Not one of you on-line detractors even know Tom. But all of the people who do know him will tell you the same thing. That should tell you something. When you do not know Tom, but you insist on lumping him in with old statistics, it just shows that you don't know what you're talking about--literally. If you want to know about his case--just read what he tells you--he's the real deal.

Good post from Tom's blog:
Zirbel.....1
USADA...0
Racing...0

Whatever he ends up doing, he's going to be better at it than you are. Plus, he doesn't go on line and post negative drivel about people that he has no direct knowledge of whatsoever.
 
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I wish the guy well...have no idea at this point whether he actually doped or swallowed something unknowingly...but at least he has a good attitude via moving on...hey Tom, don't dig your friggin heels in like so many others ala landis, hamilton...move on and do something good with your life...more ****ing power to you!
 

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SeventhSon said:
Radio, you do understand that every one of those guys in the Pro Peloton who say Tom has poor tactical knowledge are still getting used to looking up at Tom's name on top of the NRC points standings?

Not one of you on-line detractors even know Tom. But all of the people who do know him will tell you the same thing. That should tell you something. When you do not know Tom, but you insist on lumping him in with old statistics, it just shows that you don't know what you're talking about--literally. If you want to know about his case--just read what he tells you--he's the real deal.

Good post from Tom's blog:
Zirbel.....1
USADA...0
Racing...0

Whatever he ends up doing, he's going to be better at it than you are. Plus, he doesn't go on line and post negative drivel about people that he has no direct knowledge of whatsoever.

He doesn't need to if he has you posting "negative drivel about people that he has no direct knowledge of whatsoever" for him.

I don't know Tom - had never really heard of him until the Worlds.

He had DHEA in his sample - either he took it knowingly or was extremely stupid. Either way he is responsible for his positive.
I don't lump him in with the 'old statistics', he did that himself.
 
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I can see that you've done zero research, but add to your impressive post total nonetheless.

Get a clue. He was busted for doping and is now serving a two year suspension. Maybe the DHEA got into his system by accident; but, with the huge number of riders who have doped and turned the sport into a farce, you won't find a lot of people willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. That he might be a nice guy is irrelevant.

Perhaps he did take tainted supplements. That is a bad break if it is true. Perhaps he was using DHEA after finishing a steroid cycle. We don't know. No one knows for sure except Zirbel, and his word cannot be trusted by outsiders any more than Floyd Landis' word.
 
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SeventhSon said:
Radio, you do understand that every one of those guys in the Pro Peloton who say Tom has poor tactical knowledge are still getting used to looking up at Tom's name on top of the NRC points standings?

Not one of you on-line detractors even know Tom. But all of the people who do know him will tell you the same thing. That should tell you something. When you do not know Tom, but you insist on lumping him in with old statistics, it just shows that you don't know what you're talking about--literally. If you want to know about his case--just read what he tells you--he's the real deal.

Good post from Tom's blog:
Zirbel.....1
USADA...0
Racing...0

Whatever he ends up doing, he's going to be better at it than you are. Plus, he doesn't go on line and post negative drivel about people that he has no direct knowledge of whatsoever.

I have met Tom briefly. We have some mutual friends. They all say he is a nice guy, super hard worker. I have not written anything different here.

Did he dope? Hard to say, but he sure did not handle it well. To pretend like he had never heard of DHEA was silly. The guy is a Pro living in Boulder. With what his neighbor Tyler went though how could he NOT know?

You get rather heated when someone who you think does not know Tom questions him.....yet in the same sentence you claim that a group of people you do not know, have never met, will never be as good as him. Surely you can see the hypocrisy in this statement?