Tone deaf award of the month for Cadel

[zigmeister]

I don't understand people in general. No, I'm not talking about the pro athletes, which most are a bunch of morons that happen to be able to clear lactic acid and produce a crapload of power for hours on end. They were physically gifted compared to others.

It doesn't make them intelligent people. This goes for celebrities, politicians and the likes as well.

The problem is, people look up to these jackasses as-if their life and world is all that exists and have no perspective and grasp on reality often themselves.

Sad to say...gene pool has dried up on planet Earth.

Cadel has always been one of these idiots that roam around the planet doing whatever it is he does, pedal a bike...that is all.

 

[Carstenbf]

Sad to say...gene pool has dried up on planet Earth.

So, it's not just me getting old and grumpy?

 

[veganrob]

Nailed it zigmeister

 

[blackcat]

Sad to say...gene pool has dried up on planet Earth.

Cadel has always been one of these idiots that roam around the planet doing whatever it is he does, pedal a bike...that is all.

you are right. He is not up to much.

 

[blackcat]

I don't understand people in general. No, I'm not talking about the pro athletes, which most are a bunch of morons that happen to be able to clear lactic acid and produce a crapload of power for hours on end. They were physically gifted compared to others.

It doesn't make them intelligent people. This goes for celebrities, politicians and the likes as well.

The problem is, people look up to these jackasses as-if their life and world is all that exists and have no perspective and grasp on reality often themselves.

the external locus of control. it plays into that meme theory that all we are is a bunch of determined genes to sporn in software reproduction. or hardware <puzzled>

 

[86TDFWinner]

Riis should be stripped too.

Yes he should.

 

[blackcat]

if this can shut up AusCycleFan94 then this quote is a good thing.

Cuddles does The Clinic a favour, give a shout out to Cuddles.

 

[hrotha]

Yes he should.

No, he shouldn't. You still haven't explained why the SOL should be waived in every case.

 

[86TDFWinner]

No, he shouldn't. You still haven't explained why the SOL should be waived in every case.

Oh my bad, please tell me why you think it shouldnt be? I gave you my answer already, however crazy you deem it. Why should some be punished & not others for virtually the same thing,regardless of timeframe? maybe asterisks are indeed a good thing to use to point out things such as doping for the guys past your SOL thing?

Me, Id strip them if they were found to have admitted to doing it, or didnt admit but were later busted(regardless of your SOL). They're still dopers, I know right, silly me wanting to punish dopers for doping. Guys skirt your SOL and they get a pass, great system. Why even bother testing for it?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

if this can shut up AusCycleFan94 then this quote is a good thing.

Cuddles does The Clinic a favour, give a shout out to Cuddles.

au contraire, p'tit chat noir, I disagree. The forum isn't the same when ACF is on posting hiatus.

 

[Netserk]

You are quite correct. Even in the 80's (at least for Zoetemelk and Theunisse) this resulted in a time penalty but they were not DQ'ed form the TdF nor suspended afterwards. I would say that we ate least apply the common "nulla poena"-principles that you cannot be punished based on law(/rule)-changes that came into effect after your transgression. Let people have their own asterix for those victories that in hindsight seem tainted.

And yet it has happened before that a rider has been punished with a rule that wasn't there when the rider committed the crime.

Not that I agree with it, but it goes to show the level of 'justice' in cycling

 

[ultimobici]

And yet it has happened before that a rider has been punished with a rule that wasn't there when the rider committed the crime.

Not that I agree with it, but it goes to show the level of 'justice' in cycling

When? It's one thing to be caught as a result of the testing being improved, quite another to have a new rule applied to a past action. SO who is this poor maligned individual??

 

[zapata]

Oh my bad, please tell me why you think it shouldnt be? I gave you my answer already, however crazy you deem it. Why should some be punished & not others for virtually the same thing,regardless of timeframe? maybe asterisks are indeed a good thing to use to point out things such as doping for the guys past your SOL thing?

Me, Id strip them if they were found to have admitted to doing it, or didnt admit but were later busted(regardless of your SOL). They're still dopers, I know right, silly me wanting to punish dopers for doping. Guys skirt your SOL and they get a pass, great system. Why even bother testing for it?

It's the rules. Otherwise, what's the use of having statutues of limitation?

 

[Netserk]

When? It's one thing to be caught as a result of the testing being improved, quite another to have a new rule applied to a past action. SO who is this poor maligned individual??

Contador and Valverde (and perhaps others, but I only know of those two) RE: UCI sporting criteria.

 

[86TDFWinner]

It's the rules. Otherwise, what's the use of having statutues of limitation?

I got that...then why strip anyone, if you dont strip everyone? therein lies the problem. Why test for it if it doesnt mean the same thing across the board.

 

[ultimobici]

Contador and Valverde (and perhaps others, but I only know of those two) RE: UCI sporting criteria.

Contador? Clenbuterol has always been banned. His misfortune was that the lab could test lower than usual.

Valverde's ban was also for practices banned at the time of the offence.

Try again.

 

[Ferminal]

Netserk is talking about the no-UCI points rule being applied retroactively (not sure if it was).

 

[arjanh]

No disrespect, but who f½}{¾¥ cares if they're "both Spaniards"? Both "Spaniards" cheated to win.

The Spanish Powers That Be care. Look at the Puerto court case, or what Contador was charged with, clenbuterol rather than blooddoping.

Not that they're the only ones that pull this fast one, though. Adrienne Herzog, a Dutch runner, was implicated in Operacion Galgo, with Pascua declaring under oath that she contacted him for EPO. He told her that EPO was easily detectable, but blood transfusions weren't, and referred her to Alberto Leon. The Dutch AtletiekUnie merely stated, when no charges were brought forward, that "apparently nothing happened". They didn't even start a mock investigation....

And, in case you don't know, yeah, I'm Dutch.

 

[Netserk]

Netserk is talking about the no-UCI points rule being applied retroactively (not sure if it was).

The rule was implemented in the autumn of 2011.

Contador's offence was in July 2010

Valverde's offence was in 2006/8(?)

 

[86TDFWinner]

The Spanish Powers That Be care. Look at the Puerto court case, or what Contador was charged with, clenbuterol rather than blooddoping.

Not that they're the only ones that pull this fast one, though. Adrienne Herzog, a Dutch runner, was implicated in Operacion Galgo, with Pascua declaring under oath that she contacted him for EPO. He told her that EPO was easily detectable, but blood transfusions weren't, and referred her to Alberto Leon. The Dutch AtletiekUnie merely stated, when no charges were brought forward, that "apparently nothing happened". They didn't even start a mock investigation....

And, in case you don't know, yeah, I'm Dutch.

If they "cared" as you said, they'd have done a better job of trying to bust more, right? I get they busted Contador, but as you said, why weren't more things done? because like I said before, no one wants to talk about it, it's "well so

 

[arjanh]

If they "cared" as you said, they'd have done a better job of trying to bust more, right? I get they busted Contador, but as you said, why weren't more things done? because like I said before, no one wants to talk about it, it's "well so

Bust more? They (the Spanish) don't want to. They protect their own. Hence the Contador charade, for instance.

As for doing more, it's quite hard to come up with evidence from possible doping cases that happened 20 to 30 years ago...

 

[86TDFWinner]

Bust more? They (the Spanish) don't want to. They protect their own. Hence the Contador charade, for instance.

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Well that's my point sort of...no one wants to do anything/talk about it when OTHER guys do it, just a select few. Can't be that hard to find something from back then on other dopers? people here have said that they supposedly had proof/evidence of Wonderboy doping back in the 80s/early 90s, thats a long period of time too.

 

[del1962]

The rule was implemented in the autumn of 2011.

Contador's offence was in July 2010

Valverde's offence was in 2006/8(?)

But both these cases within SOL though?

 

[Netserk]

But both these cases within SOL though?

Yes. But that doesn't change the fact that the rules was changed *after* the crime.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Yes. But that doesn't change the fact that the rules was changed *after* the crime.

Exactly, Nor does it change the fact that he/they doped(which has been my point from the beginning).

Like I said, some folks here(and Im too lazy to look it up) have cited that Wonderboy was doping as early as the late 80s/early 90s, correct me if Im wrong, but wouldn't that fall out of the SOL so many here are going on and on about? Plus, wasn't Wonderboy past the SOL when they busted him? Atleast that's what I was led to believe, that the big hubub was about hi m being past the SOL, and the "witchhunt" nonsense and so forth.