Top 10 current cyclists outside of the 'big 6'

[tobydawq]

Carapaz? Why? He is a shadow of his former self. Not even a top10 GT contender anymore

He was literally fourth in the Vuelta...

 

[Peyroteo94]

He was literally fourth in the Vuelta...

Sorry, I was referring to the Tour

 

[CyclistAbi]

@cyclingfan3

If your middle name is by any chance AI, then why don't you provide your list and we can compare. I mean we all have to learn somewhere.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

As Mod
So if there is interest in this thread, we can keep it, and let's move the discussion of bots to a more suitable location.

 

[Kazistuta]

Santiago Botero
Aleksandr Botcharov
Jeremy Cabot
Robot Gesink
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Robotto Heras
Enrico Gasparobotto
Albotto Contador
Alberto Botiol
Basshunter

EDIT: Saw the Mod comment after posting, couldn't help it, sorry

 

[Cookster15]

As Mod
So if there is interest in this thread, we can keep it, and let's move the discussion of bots to a more suitable location.

IMO keep it. Good topic bot or not. It is not disruptive and just as easily could have been posted by any (real) member.

 

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Live, laugh, love that post.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

IMO keep it. Good topic bot or not. It is not disruptive and just as easily could have been posted by any (real) member.

Yeah: I wasn't suggesting blitzing the thread. But if I removed the OP because it was (probably, if not my apologies to the poster) AI-generated, then the whole thread would be vaporised.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

If someone puts O'Connor in his top10, that person should be banned.

Good luck you're not a mod then....

I'll have a crack at it.


1. Mads Pedersen
2. Ben O'Connor
3. Jasper Philipsen
4. Bini
5. Tim Merlier
6. Johnatan Milan
7. Richard Carapaz (I know he has done more impressive stuff than those listed above him, but I'm basing this on current level so as I see it today)
8. Enric Mas
9. Juan Ayuso
10. Marc Hirschi

Hindley and De Lie are my first cuts.
Yates, Van Eetvelt, Jorgenson and Stephen Williams are just below those. Maybe Kamna in the future, if he finds his old level again.

I feel bad leaving out the likes of Healy, Powless etc etc, but it's hard ranking them amongst "winners".

 

[Cookster15]

Good luck you're not a mod then....

I'll have a crack at it.


1. Mads Pedersen
2. Ben O'Connor
3. Jasper Philipsen
4. Bini
5. Tim Merlier
6. Johnatan Milan
7. Richard Carapaz (I know he has done more impressive stuff than those listed above him, but I'm basing this on current level so as I see it today)
8. Enric Mas
9. Juan Ayuso
10. Marc Hirschi

Hindley and De Lie are my first cuts.
Yates, Van Eetvelt, Jorgenson and Stephen Williams are just below those. Maybe Kamna in the future, if he finds his old level again.

I feel bad leaving out the likes of Healy, Powless etc etc, but it's hard ranking them amongst "winners".

IMO Hindley has been a bit disappointing since his very impressive Giro win. If he can recapture that level he deserves inclusion. I hope he can - he was climbing like an angel then.

 

[Red Rick]

Think Van Aert deserves a shout.

I think this is where it gets very hard because these guys tend to be a combination of not consistent winners, one trick ponies, or very close together in level

Mads Pedersen, Jorgenson, Ganna and Philipsen are probably the easiest picks.

 

[Berniece]

Think Van Aert deserves a shout.

I think this is where it gets very hard because these guys tend to be a combination of not consistent winners, one trick ponies, or very close together in level

Mads Pedersen, Jorgenson, Ganna and Philipsen are probably the easiest picks.

He names Van Aert as part of the big 6

 

[YavorD]

If someone puts O'Connor in his top10, that person should be banned.

Funny that's the first comment I read and ... he's banned.
Did he ban himself by putting O'Connor in top 10 ?

 

[scribers]

This thread has too much math

 

[sam6]

This is not AI, AI knows how to spell the word relevant

 

[rallybanana]

This thread has too much math

Mathieu Burgaudeau
Mathias Vacek
Matheo Jorgenson
Mathej Mohoric
Michael Mathews
Matheo Trentin
Mathias Skjelmose
Mathia Cattaneo
Mathis Louvel
Matheo Sobrero

 

[Anderis]

This is basically an impossible question because the riders' form changes from month to month and we're not aware of those changes until they participate in a few races (after which their form may change again) so the most we can do would be to judge top10 riders based on some time period in the past but we can't really say who's top10 in the present. I mean we can say it but it'll never be accurate.

 

[Netserk]

1. Pogi
2. Vingegaard
3. Van der Poel
4. Evenepoel
5. Rogla
6. Philipsen
7. Van Aert
8. Pedersen
9. Yates, A.
10. Almeida
11. Landa
12. Pidcock
13. Jorgenson
14. Ayuso
15. Mas
16. Merlier

Honorable mentions: Ganna, Tarling, Kuss, Girmay, Milan, Carapaz, Rodríguez, Gee, Hindley, Martínez, Thomas

 

[Berniece]

1. Pogi
2. Vingegaard
3. Van der Poel
4. Evenepoel
5. Rogla
6. Philipsen
7. Van Aert
8. Pedersen
9. Yates, A.
10. Almeida
11. Landa
12. Pidcock
13. Jorgenson
14. Ayuso
15. Mas
16. Merlier

Honorable mentions: Ganna, Tarling, Kuss, Girmay, Milan, Carapaz, Rodríguez, Gee, Hindley, Martínez, Thomas

Very nice list, I think I would only remove Ayuso and Mas and replace them by Girmay and Milan. The latter are much better in their field than the other two in theirs.

 

[Netserk]

Of those I didn't mention, I think Simon Yates is most likely to enter the top-16.

 

[tobydawq]

Santiago Botero
Aleksandr Botcharov
Jeremy Cabot
Robot Gesink
Primoz Robotlic
Robotto Heras
Enrico Gasparobotto
Albotto Contador
Alberto Botiol
Basshunter

EDIT: Saw the Mod comment after posting, couldn't help it, sorry

Botcharov should change his middle name to something starting with I, giving him the ultimate name: AI Botcharov

 

[repre]

AI has taken over the forum??? Who does that?

 

[sam6]

This is basically an impossible question because the riders' form changes from month to month and we're not aware of those changes until they participate in a few races (after which their form may change again) so the most we can do would be to judge top10 riders based on some time period in the past but we can't really say who's top10 in the present. I mean we can say it but it'll never be accurate.

It's hard as well cause how much do you bias the most recent results and how much historical results. For example, based entirely on the past 2 seasons Carapaz doesn't deserve to be in this list. But as a GT winner, 2*GT 2nd place and not too far off peak Roglic in one of those, TDF 3rd place and Olympic gold ahead of Pogacar on a route perfect for him in terms of peak form he might be top or just behind Phillipsen

 

[Netserk]

It's hard as well cause how much do you bias the most recent results and how much historical results. For example, based entirely on the past 2 seasons Carapaz doesn't deserve to be in this list. But as a GT winner, 2*GT 2nd place and not too far off peak Roglic in one of those, TDF 3rd place and Olympic gold ahead of Pogacar on a route perfect for him in terms of peak form he might be top or just behind Phillipsen

No one lists Froome as part of the Big 6, so I don't see the relevancy of old results.

 

[Davesta]

I think of the 'big 6' being such (rightly or wrongly) because of two reasons:
1) when one or many of them are on the startlist, they are the overwhelming favourites to win (and indeed do win in a high proportion of races, leaving scraps for others)
2) they can win on a variety of terrains, or types of races (stage races, one days, TTs, hilly, cobbles etc)

So when thinking of the 'next 10', I find myself thinking of riders who would be the favourites/most likely winners if the 'big 6' don't turn up, or are their closest challengers when they do, across a variety of the big races (ie not looking at winners in the Asia Tour races ).

The obvious candidates for me are Pedersen, Phillipsen & Milan - all are frequent winners, who can compete in sprints and classics.
Riders like Kooij & De Lie are similar, but I feel like they need more success in the big races to be included in the 'next 10'. Likewise Thibaut Nys who perhaps needs another successful season and races vs the big 6, to be included.

In stage races / climbing races, the equivalent obvious candidates from the past season or two are Adam Yates & Jorgensen. Riders like Carapaz & Alaphilippe are too inconsistent for me these days to be included.

There's then the riders who are versatile & often considered favourites or are very visible, but don't actually deliver many wins - Pidcock & Healy for example. Narvaez too.

And finally, there's the prolific winners but one-dimensional riders, ie sprinters & TTers - Tim Merlier & Ganna being the only real candidates over the past couple of seasons.

So I'm gonna go for the following list, being a mixture of the above. But I'm struggling to fill the last two spots. So let's call it my 'next 8':

Mads Pedersen
Jasper Phillipsen
Jonathan Milan
Adam Yates
Matteo Jorgensen
Tom Pidcock
Tim Merlier
Filippo Ganna