Top 10 Cyclists from your country of all time

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Spaniard said:
My list:

Miguel Induraín
Alberto Contador
Federico Bahamontes
Perico Delgado
Luis Ocaña (maybe at the same perico's level )
Carlos Sastre
Roberto Heras (I doubt with Sastre and Heras)
Joseba beloki
Abraham Olano
Alejandro Valverde


any other suggestion?
What on earth is this?

You put Beloki, whose biggest win is a freaking Volta a Catalunya, higher than World and Vuelta champion Olano and don't even mention three-time World Champion Freire?? And what about Fuente?

1- Indurain
2- Contador
3- Freire
4- Ocaña
5- Bahamontes
6- Delgado
7- Fuente
8- Olano
9- Sastre
10- Valverde



Yeah I left out Heras. Deal with it.
 
Echoes said:
My updated ranking.I put Contador back hoping fanboys'll stop bothering me.Even Luisle's re-instated +CAS and UCI now with me.Active riders: bold
1 Eddy Merckx 999
2 Bernard Hinault 499
3 Roger DeVlaeminck 475
4 Jacques Anquetil 474
5 Fausto Coppi 451
6 Sean Kelly IRL 416
7 Felice Gimondi 408
8 Joop Zoetemelk 407
9 Rik VanLooy 395
10 Francesco Moser 389
11 Gino Bartali 387
12 Raymond Poulidor 371
13 Louison Bobet 319
14Freddy Maertens 303
15 Miguel Indurain 301
16 Giuseppe Saronni 294
17 Herman Vanspringel 288
18 Nicolas Frantz LUX 270
19 Fiorenzo Magni 269
20 Hennie Kuiper 262
21 Alfredo Binda 259
22 Franco Bitossi 251
23 Ferdi Kübler 250
24 Walter Godefroot 249
25 Henri Pélissier 247
26 Jan Janssen 246
27 François Faber LUX 244
28 Frans Verbeeck 234
29 Rik VanSteenbergen 233
30 Laurent Fignon 230
31 Claude Criquelion 216
32 Greg LeMond USA 215
32 Stephen Roche IRL 215
34 Costante Girardengo 214
35 Lucien VanImpe 213
36 Jan Raas 212
37 Gustave Garrigou 211
38 Gianbattista Baronchelli 209
39 Tom Boonen 207
40 Raymond Impanis 203
40 Eugène Christophe 203
40 Paolo Bettini 203
43 Charly Gaul LUX 199
44 Phil Anderson AUS 198
45 André Leducq 196
46 Adri VanderPoel 194
47 Oscar Freire 192
48 Antonin Magne 188
49 Michael Boogerd 187
50 Wladimiro Panizza 185
51 Cadel Evans AUS 183
52 Vittorio Adorni 182
53 Pedro Delgado 181
54 Stan Ockers 180
55 Émile Georget 179
56 Philippe Gilbert 175
56 Learco Guerra 175
58 Charly Mottet 174
59 Louis Trousselier 173
59 Louis Mottiat 173
61 Cyriel VanHouwaert 172
62 Andrei Tchmil MOL 171
63 Fred DeBruyne 170
64 Hugo Koblet 166
65 Damiano Cunego 164
66 Luis Ocaña 163
66 Maurizio Fondriest 163
68 Lucien Petit-Breton 162
68 Rudi Altig DEU 162
68 Briek Schotte 162
71 Frans Bonduel 161
71 Léon Georget 161
71 Marino Lejarreta 161
74 Fabian Cancellara 160
75 Samuel Sanchez 158

75 Bernard Thévenet 158
77 Jean Alavoine 156
77 Alberto Contador 156
79 Italo Zilioli 155
80 Maurice Garin 154
81 André Darrigade 153
82 Robert Millar UK 152
83 Gaston Rebry 151
83 Jef Planckaert 151
85 Michele Dancelli 149
86 Gerrie Knetemann 148
87 Patrick Sercu 147
88 Dietrich Thurau DEU 141
88 Gianni Motta 141
90 Joaquim Rodriguez 140
90 Nino Defilippis 140
92 Giovanni Brunero 137
92 Octave Lapize 137
94 Heiri Suter SCH 135
94 Ludo Peeters 135
96 Maurice Archambaud 134
96 Carlos Sastre 134
98 Miguel Poblet 133
98 Eric Vanderaerden 133
100 Sylvère Maes 132
100 Philippe Thys 132
102 Peter Van Petegem 130
102 Maurice Dewaele 130
102 Andy Hampsten USA 130
102 Steven Rooks 130
106 Gastone Nencini 129
107 Pierino Gavazzi 128
107 Raphaël Geminiani 128
109 Tom Simpson UK 127
110 Michel Pollentier 126
111 Federico Martin Bahamontes 125
112 Fons De Wolf 124
113 Georges Speicher 123
113 Félix Sellier 123
115 Gaetano Belloni 122
116 André Dierickx 121
117 Georges Ronsse 120
117 Mark Cavendish UK 120
119 Eric Leman 119
120 Ottavio Bottecchia 118
120 Moreno Argentin 118
122 Hyppolite Aucouturier 116
123 Ercole Baldini 115
124 Silvano Contini 114
125 Francis Pélissier 113
125 Johan VanderVelde 113
127 Germain Derijcke 110
127 Vjatcheslav Ekimov RUS 110
129 Joaquin Agostinho POR 109
129 Jef Demuysere 109
129 Franco Balmamion 109
132 Thor Hushovd NOR 108
132 Jean-Luc Vandenbroucke 108
132 Henri Cornet 108
135 Rolf Wolfshohl DEU 107
135 Hans Junkermann DEU 107
135 Jean Forestier 107
135 Giovanni Battaglin 107
135 Émile Masson sr 107
140 Marc Demeyer 106
140 Jean Stablinski 106
140 Jean Robic 106
140 Honoré Barthélémy 106
144 Roger Pingeon 105
144 Pino Cerami 105
144 Julien Vervaecke 105
144 Andrea Tafi 105
148 Wim Van Est 104
148 Roger Lapébie 104
148 René Le Grevès 104
148 Oscar Egg SCH 104
152 Gilbert Duclos-Lassalle 103
152 Pascal Richard 103
154 Marino Basso 102
154 Georges Pintens 102
156 Marcel Kint 101
156 Pasquale Fornara 101
156 Miguel-Maria Lasa 101
159 Andy Schleck LUX 100
159 Charles Pélissier 100
161 Romain Bellenger 99
161 Rik VanLinden 99
161 Jo De Roo 99
161 Eddy Planckaert 99
165 Steve Bauer CAN 98
165 Charles Crupelandt 98
165 Robbie McEwen AUS 98
165 Michel Laurent 98
165 Firmin Lambot 98
170 Vincenzo Nibali 97
170 Lucien Buysse 97
170 Gaston Rivierre 97
170 Edwig VanHooydonck 97
170 Bartolomeo Aimo 97
175 Jean Aerts 96
175 Marc Madiot 96
177 Georges Passerieu 95
177 Filippo Pozzato 95
179 Stuart O'Grady AUS 94

179 Paolo Savoldelli 94
179 Lucien Lesna 94
179 Gilbert Desmet1 94
179 Fabio Baldato 94
179 Aldo Moser 94
185 Walter Planckaert 93
185 Peter Post 93
185 Francisco Galdos 93
185 Angelo Conterno 93
189 Ferdinand Bracke 92
189 Dimitri Konychev RUS 92
191 Daniele Nardello 91
191 Jean-François Bernard 91
193 René Vietto 90
193 Max Sciandri 90
193 Mario Beccia 90
193 Jules Messelis 90
193 Daniel Willems 90
198 Gösta Pettersson SVE 89
198 Ward Sels 89
200 Vito Taccone 88
200 Émile Daems 88
200 Beat Zberg 88
200 Erik Dekker 88
204 Ole Ritter DEN 87
204 Roger Swerts 87
204 Raymond Delisle 87
204 Henk Lubberding 87
204 Bradley Wiggins UK 87
204 Berten De Jonghe 87
204 Adelin Benoit 87
211 Lucien Aimar 86
212 Tommy Prim SVE 85
212 Félicien Vervaecke 85
214 Carlo Galetti ITA 84
214 Urs Freuler 84
214 Imerio Massignan 84
217 Guido Bontempi 83
218 Marc Sergeant 82
218 Gerben Karstens 82
218 Domenico Piemontesi 82
221 Willy Bocklant 81
221 Roger Rosiers 81
221 Louis Heusghem 81
221 Ernest Paul 81
226 Juan-Antonio Flecha 80
226 Johan De Muynck 80
226 Toon Houbrechts 80
226 Armand Desmet 80
229 Mirko Celestino 79
230 Jose-Manuel Fuente 78
230 Paul Duboc 78
230 Paul Deman 78
230 Luis Herrera COL 78
230 Joseph Bruyère 78
230 Ronny DeWitte 78
236 Hector Martin 77
236 Giulio Rossi 77
238 Robert Gesink 76
238 Rodolfo Muller 76
238 Roberto Visentini 76
238 Mariano Cañardo 76
238 Marcel Bidot 76
238 Davide Cassani 76
238 Antonin Rolland 76
238 Acacio DaSilva POR 76
246 Romain Gijssels 75
246 Rolf Gölz DEU 75
246 Peter Winnen NED 75
246 Guido Reybrouck 75
246 Giancarlo Astrua 75
246 Cyrille Guimard 75
246 Federico Echave 75
253 Luigi Ganna 74
253 Guido Carlesi 74
253 François Mahé 74
253 Alfio Vandi 74
257 Noël Foré 73
257 Marcel Janssens 73
257 Luca Paolini 73
257 Henry Anglade 73
257 Fons Schepers 73
262 Vicente Lopez-Carril 72
262 Jean-René Bernaudeau 72
262 Jean-Pierre Danguillaume 72
262 Julien Delbecque 72
266 Michel Frederick SCH 71
266 Mariano Martinez 71
266 Loretto Petrucci 71
266 Jens Voigt DEU 71
266 Giuseppe Olmo 71
266 Bernard Gauthier 71
272 Fernando Manzaneque 70
272 Éric Caritoux 70
274 Wout Wagtmans 69
274 Barry Hoban UK 69
274 Fritz Schaer 69
274 Fabio Parra COL 69
274 Joseph Fuchs 69
279 Raffaele Di Paco 68
279 Eduardo Chozas 68
281 Victor Fontan 67
281 Tuur Decabooter 67
281 Pascal Simon 67
281 Jelle Nijdam 67
281 Jan Adriaensens 67
281 Augustin Ringeval 67
287 Sylvain Chavanel 66
287 Knut Knudsen NOR 66
287 Willy Vannitsen 66
287 Leon Van Bon 66
287 Johan Capiot 66
287 Jean Dotto 66
287 Hector Tiberghien 66
287 Federico Gay 66
287 Etienne De Wilde 66
296 Stefan Mutter 65
296 Roger Rivière 65
296 Jos Huysmans 65
296 Jos Hoevenaers 65
296 Jean Rossius 65
296 Graziano Battistini 65
296 Francesco Camusso 65
303 Giuseppe Minardi 64
303 Édouard Wattelier 64
303 Constant Huret 64
306 René Pottier 63
306 Jean Brankart 63
306 Georges Vanconingsloo 63
306 Fermo Camellini 63
306 Bruno Monti 63
311 Romans Vainsteins LAT 62
311 Odiel Defraeye 62
311 Nello Lauredi 62
311 Léon Scieur 62
311 Joseph Van Daele 62
311 Haimar Zubeldia 62
311 Gilbert Bauvin 62
311 Arnaldo Pambianco 62
311 Angelo Gremo 62
320 Tom Steels 61
320 Sven-Ake Nilsson SVE 61
320 Roger Decock 61
320 Marcel Buysse 61
320 Jose Perez-Frances 61
320 Giorgio Albani 61
320 Francisco Gabica 61
320 Adolfo Leoni 61
328 Theofiel Beeckman 60
328 Staf Van Slembrouck 60
328 Severino Canavesi 60
328 Leon Van Daele 60
328 Giuseppe Pancera60
328 Charley Miller USA 60
328 Andrea Noè 60
328 Luc Roosen 60
328 Ronan Pensec 60
328 Luis Leon Sanchez 60
338 Thomas Vöckler 59

338 Ferdi Vandenhaute 59
338 Désiré Keteleer 59
338 Auguste Stéphane 59
338 Oscar Pereiro 59
343 Willy Teirlinck 58
343 Roberto Poggiali 58
343 Giovanni Valetti 58
346 Roman Kreuziger jr CZE 57
346 Leif Mortensen DEN 57
346 Jean Graczyk 57
346 Guido VanCalster 57
346 Frans Maassen 57
346 Diego Ronchini 57
346 Chris Boardman UK 57
346 Steffen Wesemann DEU 57
354 Pedro Torres 56
354 Martin Vandenbossche 56
354 Lucien Teisseire 56
354 Luciano Maggini 56
354 Gregor Braun DEU 56
354 Domingo Perurena 56
354 Aldo Bini 56
354 Ryder Hesjedal CAN 56
354 Chris Horner USA 56

363 Louis Thiétard 55
363 Frans Schoubben 55
363 David Moncoutié 55
363 Alfredo Martini 55
363 Alvaro Pino 55
368 Ugo Agostoni 54
368 Julio Jimenez 54
368 Guido DeRosso 54
368 Eric DeVlaeminck 54
Priceless, as expected.

That one's my favourite.

Echoes: because building your own reality is much funnier.
 
Green Jersey = Worlds ??? Is that serious ????
LOOOOL :D:D:D:D
LOOOOL

I don't think I've laughed as much since the doctor fell down the stairs. Holy Moses! Do Anglos really know anything at cycling? Pffeeew !!! That's a good one, really.


By the way, my bad Fiammingo, I've slightly overrated van der Poel's Amstel win, Criq's second place at Amstel, and Boogerd's Catalan Weeks wins. Even Roche is overrated.

So Freire is ahead of van der Poel, Criquielion and LeMond are tied (not the result I expected but that's it), Boogerd is still ahead of Evans but by a slight margin.
 
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The Hitch said:
After the joke list posted a few days ago regarding top riders of all time, here is a more sensible one.

http://www.cyclinghalloffame.com/riders/alltime100.asp
Who the hell drew that up? Never heard of a classic, I take it? All over the list you have all-time greats of the classics far behind mediocre grand tour riders.

Kelly 11th
De Vlaeminck 16th
Boonen 35th (seriously, how are Zabel and Rominger ahead of him?)
Argentin 61st
Cancellara 91st (apparently deserves to go after such luminaries as Zulle and Baby Schleck)

EDIT: seems I was not the first to notice this.
 
Caruut said:
Who the hell drew that up? Never heard of a classic, I take it? All over the list you have all-time greats of the classics far behind mediocre grand tour riders.

Kelly 11th
De Vlaeminck 16th
Boonen 35th (seriously, how are Zabel and Rominger ahead of him?)
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Yeah you're right the list isnt that great. But it had the luxury of being based on some sort of system and not just awarding points based on whether the organizer likes the riders or not - which was what i was trying to illustrate my disaproval of.

And to be fair its not surprising to see Zabel higher than Boonen on a points system. On cq he was top 3 for 5 consecutive years during which his lowest score was 1949.
Even though it only began 7 years into his career he still scored in 10 years of cq nearly 2000 more points than Boonen has in his entire career (13 years/ or 11 if you want to start on his first Roubaix podium)
 
Echoes said:
Green Jersey = Worlds ??? Is that serious ????
LOOOOL :D:D:D:D
LOOOOL

I don't think I've laughed as much since the doctor fell down the stairs. Holy Moses! Do Anglos really know anything at cycling? Pffeeew !!! That's a good one, really.


By the way, my bad Fiammingo, I've slightly overrated van der Poel's Amstel win, Criq's second place at Amstel, and Boogerd's Catalan Weeks wins. Even Roche is overrated.

So Freire is ahead of van der Poel, Criquielion and LeMond are tied (not the result I expected but that's it), Boogerd is still ahead of Evans but by a slight margin.
At least the list is better than yours.
 
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of YOUR country

The original poster asked the question , to list the top 10 best cyclists from Your country of all time.
You guys are creating lists and arguing all cyclists of all time and that wasn't the question.
If you are not from a cycling nation but love cycling just pick a country or club from a country and research that or just have fun with it .
Old guys like us know these lists are like collecting Hockey players cards found in bubble gum collectors cards for kids .
In the end its pointless . How ironic , a point system that is pointless . :cool:
 

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Something promts me now we are going to see the rider in panties with a bruise on his knee yet again. :)
 
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All time would be difficult for me, since I haven't seen Coppi, Bartali, Binda, Gimondi etc.. so I will consider only riders from 90s.

1 Pantani
2 Bugno
3 Bettini
4 Cipollini
5 Simoni
6 Basso
7 Nibali
8 Bartoli
9 Rebellin
10 Chiappucci


do you agree?
 
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This list was formulated some time ago, by a yank, with the sole objective of getting Armstrong as high up in the pantheon as possible. It's very biased towards the tour. Check out this for a seriously well researched and thought out list of the all time great. http://thevirtualmusette.com/
 
Echoes said:
My updated ranking.I put Contador back hoping fanboys'll stop bothering me.Even Luisle's re-instated +CAS and UCI now with me.Active riders: bold
1 Eddy Merckx 999
2 Bernard Hinault 499
3 Roger DeVlaeminck 475
4 Jacques Anquetil 474
5 Fausto Coppi 451
6 Sean Kelly IRL 416
Not sure how you can put DeVlaeminck above Kelly. Similar Palmares but while DeVlaeminck has two more monuments than Kelly and more semi-classics, Kelly has
4 Green jerseys
7 Paris-Nice
1 Grand Tour
1 TT World champion
And countless other stage race victories.

DeVlaeminck is one of my all time Favorites but there's no way he's ahead of Kelly. (let alone Anquetil or Coppi)
 
Thank you this more respectful criticism (compared to the previous ones).

I would say it all depends on the system. I, myself was rather surprised by many results. But you can easily fiddle with it and make one rider pass the other.

I'd just say that the point classifications in GT's do not count for me. The reason being that I already count stage wins and I didn't want to give twice a reward for the same performance.

With regards to Coppi, he's penalized by his era. I had to downgrade the Italian races up until the 50's, approximately. They were an all-Italian affair, with a depleted field.

Kelly, TT World champion? When?

This is what I have for both these riders:

Sean Kelly

2 Netherlands 1977 1
10 Romandy 1977 1
10 Midi-libre 1977 1
2 Union GP 1979 1
9 Worlds 1979 2
9 Belgium 1979 1
10 Ghent 1979 1
2 Brabant 1980 1
2 Haut-Var 1980 1
2 E3 1980 1
3 Amstel 1980 1
3 Ghent 1980 1
4 Vuelta 1980 4
4 Milan-Sanremo 1980 4
4 Belgium 1980 1
2 St France 1980 6
2 Dunkirk 1981 1
4 Arrow 1981 4
5 Francfurt 1981 1
6 Amstel 1981 1
6 Haut-Var 1981 1
6 Catalan Week 1981 1
8 Flanders 1981 2
9 Belgium 1981 1
9 Zurich 1981 1
St France 1981 3
Paris-Nice 1982 9
4 St Paris-Nice 1982 4
Haut-Var 1982 2
3 Worlds 1982 4
3 Francfurt 1982 1
3 Ghent 1982 1
4 Amstel 1982 1
5 Piedmont 1982 1
6 International Crit. 1982 1
7 Aude 1982 1
8 Arrow 1982 2
10 Liège-Bastogne 1982 2
15 France 1982 4
St France 1982 3
Lombardy 1983 10
Paris-Nice 1983 9
3 St Paris-Nice 1983 3
Switzerland 1983 4
International Crit. 1983 2
2 Piedmont 1983 1
5 Milan-Sanremo 1983 4
7 France 1983 6
8 Worlds 1983 2
9 Paris-Tours 1983 2
Paris-Nice 1984 9
2 St Paris-Nice 1984 2
Paris-Roubaix 1984 12
Paris-Tours 1984 6
Liège-Bastogne 1984 9
Basque Country 1984 2
Catalunya 1984 2
International Crit. 1984 2
2 Milan-Sanremo 1984 4
2 Flanders 1984 4
2 Nations GP 1984 2
3 Francfurt 1984 1
4 Switzerland 1984 2
5 France 1984 8
9 Med Tour 1984 1
Lombardy 1985 10
Paris-Nice 1985 9
2 Catalunya 1985 1
3 Paris-Roubaix 1985 5
3 Paris-Tours 1985 2
3 International 1985 1
4 France 1985 8
4 Liège-Bastogne 1985 4
4 Switzerland 1985 2
5 Paris-Brussels 1985 2
6 Basque Country 1985 1
7 Milan-Sanremo 1985 2
7 Nations GP 1985 1
7 Wevelgem 1985 2
9 Vuelta 1985 2
9 Netherlands 1985 1
10 E3 1985 1
10 Piedmont 1985 1
Paris-Nice 1986 9
3 St Paris-Nice 1986 3
Paris-Roubaix 1986 12
Milan-Sanremo 1986 10
Nations GP 1986 4
Basque Country 1986 2
Catalunya 1986 2
2 Flanders 1986 4
2 Lombardy 1986 4
2 Paris-Brussels 1986 2
2 International 1986 1
3 Vuelta 1986 4
5 Worlds 1986 4
6 Paris-Tours 1986 2
6 Arrow 1986 2
Paris-Nice 1987 9
St Paris-Nice 1987 1
Basque Country 1987 2
International Crit. 1987 2
2 Flanders 1987 4
4 Milan-Sanremo 1987 4
4 Paris-Brussels 1987 2
4 Nations GP 1987 2
4 Midi-libre 1987 1
5 Catalunya 1987 1
5 Worlds 1987 4
Wevelgem 1988 6
Vuelta 1988 9
Paris-Nice 1988 9
2 St Paris-Nice 1988 2
Catalan Week 1988 3
Haut-Var 1988 2
3 Paris-Tours 1988 2
4 Flanders 1988 4
5 Milan-Sanremo 1988 4
5 Lazio 1988 1
7 Ghent 1988 1
Liège-Bastogne 1989 9
2 Ghent 1989 1
3 Worlds 1989 4
3 Baracchi 1989 1
5 Milan-Sanremo 1989 4
7 Paris-Tours 1989 2
7 Tirreno 1989 1
9 France 1989 6
9 Paris-Brussels 1989 1
9 Piedmont 1989 1
15 Paris-Roubaix 1989 2
**Switzerland 1990 4
**2 Wincanton 1990 1
**3 Clasica 1990 1
**5 Worlds 1990 4
**6 America 1990 1
**6 Tirreno 1990 1
**8 Paris-Tours 1990 2
**8 International 1990 1
**9 Catalunya 1990 1
**10 Lombardy 1990 2
**30 France 1990 2
**Lombardy 1991 10
**4 Milan-Turin 1991 1
**Milan-Sanremo 1992 10
**4 Paris-Tours 1992 2
Total 459



Roger De Vlaeminck

Ghent-Ghent 1969 3
2 Milan-Sanremo 1969 4
5 Paris-Roubaix 1969 5
2 Wevelgem 1969 2
2 Schelde 1969 1
3 Zurich 1969 1
3 Paris-Lux 1969 1
6 Arrow 1969 2
6 Luxembourg 1969 1
Liège-Bastogne 1970 9
Schelde 1970 2
2 Paris-Roubaix 1970 5
2 E3 1970 1
4 Dauphiné 1970 2
4 Cross Worlds 1970 1
5 Paris-Tours 1970 2
8 Ghent 1970 2
St France 1970 3
Arrow 1971 9
Dunkirk 1971 2
E3 1971 2
2 Wevelgem 1971 2
3 Andalucia 1971 1
3 Brabant 1971 1
4 Switzerland 1971 2
7 Paris-Roubaix 1971 3
8 Lombardy 1971 2
Paris-Roubaix 1972 12
Tirreno 1972 3
Milan-Turin 1972 2
4 Paris-Tours 1972 2
4 Laigueglia 1972 1
4 Agostoni 1972 1
7 Giro 1972 4
4 St Giro 1972 8
7 Lazio 1972 1
Milan-Sanremo 1973 10
Tirreno 1973 3
2 Paris-Tours 1973 2
2 Ghent 1973 1
2 Laigueglia 1973 1
3 Lombardy 1973 4
3 Milan-Turin 1973 1
6 Sardegna 1973 1
7 Paris-Roubaix 1973 3
11 Giro 1973 3
3 St Giro 1973 6
Paris-Roubaix 1974 12
Tirreno 1974 3
Lombardy 1974 10
Milan-Turin 1974 2
2 Arrow 1974 4
2 Paris-Brussels 1974 2
2 Emily 1974 1
2 Worlds Cross 1974 1
3 Milan-Sanremo 1974 4
3 Wevelgem 1974 2
3 Agostoni 1974 1
3 Lugano GP 1974 1
3 Baracchi 1974 1
4 Lazio 1974 1
7 Paris-Tours 1974 2
11 Giro 1974 3
St Giro 1974 2
Worlds Cross 1975 3
Tirreno 1975 3
Paris-Roubaix 1975 12
Zurich 1975 3
Switzerland 1975 4
4 Giro 1975 7
7 St Giro 1975 14
Lazio 1975 2
Agostoni 1975 2
2 Worlds 1975 4
3 Paris-Tours 1975 2
3 Milan-Turin 1975 1
3 Laigueglia 1975 1
3 Overijse 1975 1
4 Lombardy 1975 4
4 Ghent 1975 1
4 Schelde 1975 1
7 Emily 1975 1
8 Liège 1975 2
9 Arrow 1975 2
10 Sardegna 1975 1
Lombardy 1976 10
Agostoni 1976 2
Emily 1976 2
3 Paris-Roubaix 1976 5
Tirreno 1976 3
Sardegna 1976 3
Lazio 1976 2
2 Romandy 1976 2
2 Zurich 1976 1
2 Pantalica 1976 1
2 Schelde 1976 1
2 Tre Valli 1976 1
3 Francfurt 1976 1
4 Flanders 1976 4
5 Catalunya 1976 1
6 Wevelgem 1976 2
8 Milan-Sanremo 1976 2
4 St Giro 1976 8
Flanders 1977 9
Paris-Roubaix 1977 12
Tirreno 1977 3
Piedmont 1977 2
2 Milan-Sanremo 1977 4
4 Liège 1977 4
4 Paris-Tours 1977 2
4 Paris-Brussels 1977 2
5 Sardegna 1977 1
6 Amstel 1977 1
7 Tre Valli 1977 1
8 Ghent 1977 1
10 Arrow 1977 2
Milan-Sanremo 1978 10
Friuli 1978 2
Overijse 1978 2
2 Paris-Roubaix 1978 5
3 Lazio 1978 1
5 Agostoni 1978 1
6 Wevelgem 1978 2
7 Aude 1978 1
8 Zurich 1978 1
9 Francfurt 1978 1
10 Worlds 1978 2
10 Flanders 1978 2
Milan-Sanremo 1979 10
2 Paris-Roubaix 1979 5
Ghent-Ghent 1979 3
Puglia 1979 2
2 Flanders 1979 4
2 Wevelgem 1979 2
2 Friuli 1979 1
3 Tre Valli 1979 1
4 Francfurt 1979 1
4 Zurich 1979 1
5 Laigueglia 1979 1
6 Tirreno 1979 1
10 Worlds 1979 2
3 St Giro 1979 6
Laigueglia 1980 2
4 Flanders 1980 4
4 Sardegna 1980 1
5 Milan-Sanremo 1980 4
5 Ghent 1980 1
6 Schelde 1980 1
7 Worlds 1980 2
Paris-Brussels 1981 4
2 Paris-Roubaix 1981 5
2 Amstel 1981 1
Brabant 1981 2
2 Milan-Sanremo 1981 4
2 Wevelgem 1981 2
3 Laigueglia 1981 1
4 E3 1981 1
6 Flanders 1981 2
6 Ghent 1981 1
2 St Paris-Nice 1981 2
2 E3 1982 1
6 Paris-Roubaix 1982 3
7 Liège-Bastogne 1982 2
3 Milan-Turin 1984 1
Total 475
 
While most scoring systems used in rating riders like this tend to oversell the GTs, I think by rating Paris-Nice the same as the Vuelta and by rating the Classics higher as well (plus with Paris-Nice giving 9 points and País Vasco only 2, the same as the Giro del Friuli or Overijse) you're overcompensating the other way.

Also, because points go for rankings, then somebody who got a number of placements without ever really threatening a win over several years could easily wind up rating higher than somebody like a José Manuel Fuente who shone really brightly but whose peak was pretty short. Your ranking gives too much reward for the guys who make up the bunch coming in behind the solo winner or winner's group. I appreciate you love yourself some Classic one-day racing, but coming 4th in the Trofeo Laigueglia or 9th in Züri-Metzgete should not be giving as many points as 2nd in Amstel Gold or 2nd in the Volta a Catalunya, at least back then.

Also, until recently with the UCI points system, placements were pretty irrelevant, especially in one-day races, so there were few people who would ride for the 9th and 10th places that get them some nice bags of points for this ranking. It also prejudices the list in favour of longevity, so a guy like Joop Zoetemelk, legendary though he was, is liable to be elevated simply because he was around long enough to accumulate a larger palmarès than many.
 
I'm rating the modern Vuelta (1990 onwards) and Amstel (2003 onwards) much higher.
At that time, Paris-Nice had a way better field, despite being just one week. The Paris-Nice palmares is quite huge. Amstel was not considered a true classic back then, despite the hard course.

Such rankings should always be evolutive. The major current races, were not necessarily the same as 50 years ago and won't necesarily be the same as in 50 years time.


And for hell's sake, on most rankings I know, Fuente and Herrera are far behind Agostinho, so ... all right ...:rolleyes:
 
ferryman said:
Tough to make a 10 for Scotland but the top 5 will be recognised:

Robert Millar:)
David Millar
Graeme Obree
Chris Hoy
Brian Smith

Other guys worth a mention who rode the Tour are Billy Bilsland and Ken Laidlaw although I have to admit I know nothing about them except that Bilsland was a mentor of sorts for Robert.

Of course, Armstrong and Hamilton both have Scottish roots;)
Pleased that Armstrong has Scottish roots, I thought with his name his roots might of been from the North East of England, this has come as a great releif :)
 
del1962 said:
Pleased that Armstrong has Scottish roots, I thought with his name his roots might of been from the North East of England, this has come as a great releif :)
My bad actually, no bloodline through Armstrong for Lance. I will need to think of a replacement.
 
Echoes said:
I'm rating the modern Vuelta (1990 onwards) and Amstel (2003 onwards) much higher.
At that time, Paris-Nice had a way better field, despite being just one week. The Paris-Nice palmares is quite huge. Amstel was not considered a true classic back then, despite the hard course.

Such rankings should always be evolutive. The major current races, were not necessarily the same as 50 years ago and won't necesarily be the same as in 50 years time.


And for hell's sake, on most rankings I know, Fuente and Herrera are far behind Agostinho, so ... all right ...:rolleyes:
I assume you've downgraded the crappy post-Zabel version of Milan-San Remo then? ;)
 

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