Top 5 GT Riders: Order & Discussion

[SafeBet]

But there's no fact supporting the claim Purito is currently a better GT rider than Uran at the moment (or vice versa). It's been one year since the last time Purito went for GC in a GT and one year is a lot of time at his age. His drop off in performance could be considerable. You could say Purito was a better GT rider in 2013, and I'd probably agree, but in 2014 it's about opinions, not facts.

 

[Escarabajo]

But there's no fact supporting the claim Purito is currently a better GT rider than Uran at the moment (or vice versa). It's been one year since the last time Purito went for GC in a GT and one year is a lot of time at his age. His drop off in performance could be considerable. You could say Purito was a better GT rider in 2013, and I'd probably agree, but in 2014 it's about opinions, not facts.

+1.

Could not have put it any better!

 

[Arredondo]

I am aware that you're ESL, but that's not really an excuse.

Read again. More slowly next time perhaps?

You're saying Uran is better then Purito. That's a opinion. If i give a opinion at my university, teachers would love to know on what did i base my opinion. It would be nice if you're having some thing that can proof you're opinion is something right or well-founded. That's called argumentation. Facts is a form of argumentation.

''Uran is a better GT rider then Purito''

Fact 1 = Uran finished higher in a particular race, where both were good
Fact 2 = etc.

It strenghts your opinion. Try with some form of argumentation. Facts can help you on the right pad. You should try.

 

[Arredondo]

But there's no fact supporting the claim Purito is currently a better GT rider than Uran at the moment (or vice versa). It's been one year since the last time Purito went for GC in a GT and one year is a lot of time at his age. His drop off in performance could be considerable. You could say Purito was a better GT rider in 2013, and I'd probably agree, but in 2014 it's about opinions, not facts.

That's why it's stupid to put up a list of best GT riders. Because what do you want to measure? The best GT riders at this moment, on a particular date? Or the best GT riders based on results of the past years and their capacity? I rather choose the second one. And then Purito is still better.

If you look at the first option, then ofcourse it's Uran. Because he finished 2nd in a GT this year, and Purito not.

 

[Netserk]

You're saying Uran is better then Purito. That's a opinion. If i give a opinion at my university, teachers would love to know on what did i base my opinion. It would be nice if you're having some thing that can proof you're opinion is something right or well-founded. That's called argumentation. Facts is a form of argumentation.

''Uran is a better GT rider then Purito''

Fact 1 = Uran finished higher in a particular race, where both were good
Fact 2 = etc.

It strenghts your opinion. Try with some form of argumentation. Facts can help you on the right pad. You should try.

This is getting silly. I think I'll have to post this one more time for you:

I am aware that you're ESL, but that's not really an excuse.

Read again. More slowly next time perhaps?

 

[Arredondo]

This is getting silly. I think I'll have to post this one more time for you:

I am aware that you're ESL, but that's not really an excuse.

Read again. More slowly next time perhaps?

Never mind, you just don't get it. Happens to the best.

 

[Angliru]

ITA 1 NIBALI, Vincenzo (ASTANA) 89:59:06
FRA 2 PERAUD, Jean-Christophe (AG2R LA MONDIALE) + 7:37
FRA 3 PINOT, Thibaut (FDJ.fr) + 8:15
ESP 4 VALVERDE BELMONTE, Alejandro (MOVISTAR) + 9:40
USA 5 VAN GARDEREN, Tejay (BMC RACING) + 11:24

...these are the top 5 GT riders currently. Unless we are talking about in a magical land where form, team, and all other factors do not matter in which case...

1)me
2)a unicorn
3)rainbows
4)me again because i'm just that good
5)one of the schlecks I guess.... I dunno pick one.

If we're basing this discussion on the OP's statement in his post that opens this thread, then you're saying that the 5 you have listed are the riders that you would favor as the primary contenders in any grand tour. Something just doesn't click with me when I look at that list and some of those you have there.

 

[Netserk]

Purito is 35 and obviously declining. He will never win a GT, heck I doubt he'll ever podium one again. It's like arguing that Sastre was a top GT rider after his CSC time.

 

[Arredondo]

Purito is 35 and obviously declining. He will never win a GT, heck I doubt he'll ever podium one again. It's like arguing that Sastre was a top GT rider after his CSC time.

Sastre was declining in form. Purito declining (if you can call it that way) due to crashes. He still won Catalunys before his bad luck, and finished 3rd at Clasica after. I will give him time, the Vuelta will be the key moment. If he isn't able to reach high there, it's over GC wise for him. Then it's just case to target classics. He still hasn't failed in a GT because he wasn't able to follow the big guns in the mountains (the Tour is not a good example at all).

He will not win a GT. But it will be stupid to say the opposite.

 

[ILovecycling]

Uran is certainly better than Purito. Not as good as Horner, but still better than Purito.

Im not sure Uran would climb with Quintana and Froome in his best form.
He is a lot better tt,so it depedns on parcours tho.I would say giro,vuelta,tt light tour for Purito,tt heavy tour for Uran.
But I guess this---

But there's no fact supporting the claim Purito is currently a better GT rider than Uran at the moment (or vice versa). It's been one year since the last time Purito went for GC in a GT and one year is a lot of time at his age. His drop off in performance could be considerable. You could say Purito was a better GT rider in 2013, and I'd probably agree, but in 2014 it's about opinions, not facts.

Purito is 35 and obviously declining. He will never win a GT, heck I doubt he'll ever podium one again. It's like arguing that Sastre was a top GT rider after his CSC time.

Thats not really good comparison.

 

[cineteq]

Purito is 35 and obviously declining. He will never win a GT

 

[RiccoDinko]

1. Nibali, best all around rider
2. Froome, alien mode, strongest TT of the climbers
3. Quintana, best climber, best poker face, rising to the top
4. Contador, seemed back on his game this year, time will tell
5. Horner or Peraud

 

[ILovecycling]

1. Nibali, best all around rider
2. Froome, alien mode, strongest TT of the climbers
3. Quintana, best climber, best poker face, rising to the top
4. Contador, seemed back on his game this year, time will tell
5. Horner or Peraud

no. 5 is probably an oldie option or what,I understand Horner (a bit) but after one good GT I dont think peraud is better gt rider than murito,piti or rigo

 

[gregrowlerson]

ITA 1 NIBALI, Vincenzo (ASTANA) 89:59:06
FRA 2 PERAUD, Jean-Christophe (AG2R LA MONDIALE) + 7:37
FRA 3 PINOT, Thibaut (FDJ.fr) + 8:15
ESP 4 VALVERDE BELMONTE, Alejandro (MOVISTAR) + 9:40
USA 5 VAN GARDEREN, Tejay (BMC RACING) + 11:24

...these are the top 5 GT riders currently. Unless we are talking about in a magical land where form, team, and all other factors do not matter in which case...

1)me
2)a unicorn
3)rainbows
4)me again because i'm just that good
5)one of the schlecks I guess.... I dunno pick one.

What a post


I would go:

1) Froome
2) Contador
3) Nibali
4) Quintana
5) Valverde

First three are very close, and Froome might lose his ranking as top dog if he doesn't win the upcoming Vuelta. If he wasn't injured too badly at the Tour then I think he will win it, but it's a good test for he and Quintana. Valverde is clearly below the top four, but is very consistent.

 

[Panda Claws]

You're saying Uran is better then Purito. That's a opinion. If i give a opinion at my university, teachers would love to know on what did i base my opinion. It would be nice if you're having some thing that can proof you're opinion is something right or well-founded. That's called argumentation. Facts is a form of argumentation.

''Uran is a better GT rider then Purito''

Fact 1 = Uran finished higher in a particular race, where both were good
Fact 2 = etc.

It strenghts your opinion. Try with some form of argumentation. Facts can help you on the right pad. You should try.

You tell Netserk to show some facts, Netserk tells you to show some facts.

I don't disagree with you, but someone is going to have to show some facts, why not you?

 

[Arredondo]

You tell Netserk to show some facts, Netserk tells you to show some facts.

I don't disagree with you, but someone is going to have to show some facts, why not you?

Because he's having a minority opinion. I'ts the same as saying Ferrer is a better tennis player then Nadal. There's no reason to believe it, because there are not indications which shows he's better. So i'm really curious to see if i'm wrong, or forgot something.

 

[Netserk]

Because he's having a minority opinion. I'ts the same as saying Ferrer is a better tennis player then Nadal. There's no reason to believe it, because there are not indications which shows he's better. So i'm really curious to see if i'm wrong, or forgot something.

You were the one who claimed 'facts' show that Purito is better. I didn't claim they showed that Uran was better. The onus is on you to show me how those 'facts' show that.

 

[Arredondo]

You were the one who claimed 'facts' show that Purito is better. I didn't claim they showed that Uran was better. The onus is on you to show me how those 'facts' show that.

Why do you claim Uran is better then? And based on what, that's more important.

 

[Carols]

Contador would win in four of those scenarios.

Indeed. IMO an on form Contador is a good bet at 4 out of the 5 scenerios.

 

[Netserk]

Why do you claim Uran is better then? And based on what, that's more important.

You really do have a reading problem. First things first, do you abandon your claim that it is 'facts' that Purito is better than Uran? If not then please show me.

Just because I don't claim that my opinion is a fact doesn't mean it's not based on several things, facts included.

 

[Arredondo]

You really do have a reading problem. First things first, do you abandon your claim that it is 'facts' that Purito is better than Uran? If not then please show me.

Just because I don't claim that my opinion is a fact doesn't mean it's not based on several things, facts included.

You're twisting. I started with asking why you think Uran is better. Just try to give some arguments why you think that's the case.

But you don't have any, that's why you're putting me in the defensive.

It's not my task to show why Purito is better. It's your task to show why Uran is.

After you give you're opinion based on several things, i will start giving some facts why Purito is better. So i'm not abandon my claim (yet).

 

[cineteq]

Hmmm....how Uran ended up being a subject of this thread?

 

[Netserk]

You're twisting. I started with asking why you think Uran is better. Just try to give some arguments why you think that's the case.

But you don't have any, that's why you're putting me in the defensive.

It's not my task to show why Purito is better. It's your task to show why Uran is.

After you give you're opinion based on several things, i will start giving some facts why Purito is better. So i'm not abandon my claim (yet).

No you didn't. This is what you started with:

"Are you drunk? You can hate the guy, but stay to the facts"

And so I asked you which facts? Onus is on you to show me those facts.

 

[Arredondo]

No you didn't. This is what you started with:

"Are you drunk? You can hate the guy, but stay to the facts"

And so I asked you which facts? Onus is on you to show me those facts.

The fact Purito reached the podium in all GT's.
The fact he reached the podium of the Tour, the biggest race of the world.
The fact Uran didn't reaced the podium of the Tour, the biggest race of the world.
The fact Uran reached the podium of two Giro's, where the competition was not as strong as in the Tour 2013 and Vuelta 2012.
The fact Uran till nowadays never showed he can follow and drop the best GT'er at this moment in the mountains: Chris Froome.

Etcetera

 

[theyoungest]

Wonderful. Another discussion between the biggest Purito fan and the biggest Purito hater on why Purito is one of the best/worst riders in the world.