Top Ten excuses Sky will use to fend off doping accusations

[Dr.Sahl]

I would say this is looking worse than US POSTAL. Lance was better at pretending he was an underdog and “all it takes is one bad day in the Tour”. Wiggins needs to get his rhetoric right. Pretend that he could lose it all at anytime.

I’m actually laughing at it now. That’s how stupid its got.

I heard many British are hyped for the Olympics and I even have a few British fans that never liked cycling, but now they are like "wow cycling is cool and Wiggins is the best ever" one of them plays a fantasy league with me and he was like (ohh well I gotta support the clean British) after he saw a few stages thats not his opinion anymore..

But the vast majority of press seems to just say "ohh we know Wiggins and Froome are nice they are doing so well what a team and traning effort"

I've heard different commentators say stuff like.

"Its a suprise to see Froome at this level, but he is solid and training well"
"Wiggins is the best TT"
"Wiggins is the best MR"
"Wiggins just training better than the rest"

The funny thing is, now that LA is getting slapped, they actually talk bad about him... pretty lol..

Atleast I saw a good comment today by a commentator

"No wonder they call this UK Postal, is this the new Wiggins/Froome Era?"

 

[Dr.Sahl]

Hello. I'm curious as to what it would take to convince forum members that someone wasn't doping? We've all been disillusioned through the years by LA, Basso, Alberto etc. As the above post alludes, the language used by the clean and the dirty is exactly the same.

In light of this, is it reasonable to infer good performances by top pros are always indicative of doping / programmes etc?

This year I watched the Champions League. Barcelona and Real Madrid have vast budgets. It is no surprise then that these teams have the best players and (usually!) perform the best.

Sky and BMC also have vast budgets, is it surprising they have the best riders who, after lengthy apprenticships and many trials and tribulations, are performing best at the tour?

I'm not naive, if any rider at this tour subsequently tests positive, I would not be at all surprised. My favourite rider is Contedor, I like him primarily because he has amazing talent and I feel he stuck it up Lance. He is a drug cheat and is rightfully serving a ban. He was (eventually) banned on an evidential base.

Where is the evidence that Sky in general, and Wiggins in particular are doping?

If you want my honest opinion, I know deep down that alot of riders dope to some degree, I even accept small stuff sometimes, but when I see a Team Wide doping program that makes 1 team (no matter their past skills etc) just **** all others over, then its too much...

I know alot of people who just gave up cycling in the USP era, but a few have actually come back here the last few years, because it was not totaly dominated by one team and 2-3 riders from it... but now thats turned around again.

Froome reminds me of Rasmussen, suddenly he is better than anybody else, coming from the lower tier.

Wiggins being the best all year long and in his transformation from TT to more all around, he instead became one of the best MR and now he beat all with ease in TT ??? this smells to much look at the watt they are pulling aswell.. its just not possible to be this good and never go down..

Even LA played abit on it when it got to obivous, but these Brits don't care


Factor in that Wiggins/Froome said they are only riding slow, they are doing a slow pace.. they didnt ride fast yet "haha" silly Brits

 

[taiwan]

You cite these types of remarks because it's what dirty teams say to cover up being dirty.

But do you see the logical problem? Dirty teams say this PRECISELY BECAUSE it's what clean teams do to achieve results.

It's like saying we know a man on trial for murder is guilty because he said he didn't do it. No, guilty people say this because it's what innocent people say. That both say the same thing does not mean both are guilty.

No, why is the defendant on trial in the first place? It's not the plea of guilt or innocence he's being judged on, it's the incriminating evidence and the plausibility of his explanation of it.

Oh so now Sky are on trial now....Who made you judge????

I was responding to Mount Megiddo's analogy.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

1. Innovations in training
2. Weight loss
3. Reconnaissance of the course
4. Training as a team
5. Altitude camps
6. Peaking all season
7. Using a swim coach
8. Other teams “not innovating”
9. Hard work, dedication
10. Other people have never worked towards something in their lives like we have.

........

 

[blackcat]

This perception began to take hold in the early 90s, when Ma Junren’s brilliant group of young female runners, supposedly fuelled by a diet of turtles’ blood, rewrote the world record books. However, when some of the athletes tested positive for the banned blood-boosting drug erythropoietin before the Sydney games, a more likely explanation emerged.

turtles blood
turtles blood
turtles blood

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it"

turtles blood
turtles blood
turtles blood

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Beet juice.

And rice cakes. Lots of rice cakes...

 

[thehog]

I heard many British are hyped for the Olympics and I even have a few British fans that never liked cycling, but now they are like "wow cycling is cool and Wiggins is the best ever" one of them plays a fantasy league with me and he was like (ohh well I gotta support the clean British) after he saw a few stages thats not his opinion anymore..

But the vast majority of press seems to just say "ohh we know Wiggins and Froome are nice they are doing so well what a team and traning effort"

I've heard different commentators say stuff like.

"Its a suprise to see Froome at this level, but he is solid and training well"
"Wiggins is the best TT"
"Wiggins is the best MR"
"Wiggins just training better than the rest"

The funny thing is, now that LA is getting slapped, they actually talk bad about him... pretty lol..

Atleast I saw a good comment today by a commentator

"No wonder they call this UK Postal, is this the new Wiggins/Froome Era?"

Armstrong's 1999 Tour was really won on his own. His team was good but nothing like Sky12. USPS got stronger and stronger in the latter years.

I still maintain what we're seeing from Sky is the worst doping performance in the history of the sport.

Time will tell. Mark my words.

 

[mastersracer]

So you think they're doping, but they aren't doing anything wrong. OK, that's a unique position in this thread at least.

You're wrong that all programmes are the same though, because clearly there the small timers who DIY at huge risk to their health and get popped (Ricco) at one end of the scale, while at the other you have exclusive relationships with the top doctor, a sophisticated logistical operation supporting team wide doping, and protection from the governing body (USPS). Yeah level playing field.

I don't know if they are doping, and I never condoned it. In the absence of any specific information, I think it's safe to assume that it's more likely than not that top teams are still doping based purely on the frequency of prior doping and the recent high-profile cases. I also said that the top teams/riders - not all teams/riders - likely have similar programs. USPS won during the Armstrong era for a lot of reasons besides doping. They had superior organization and infrastructure, better on-road plans/tactics, and Armstrong was more dedicated/disciplined to his program than was Ullrich.

 

[blackcat]

Ofcourse Sky is dopingOfcourse+

Ofcourse Sky is dopingOfcourse=

 

[blackcat]

Beet juice.

And rice cakes. Lots of rice cakes...

gluten free
free gluten

 

[blackcat]

1. Innovations in training
2. Weight loss
3. Reconnaissance of the course
4. Training as a team
5. Altitude camps
6. Peaking all season
7. Using a swim coach
8. Other teams “not innovating”
9. Hard work, dedication
10. Other people have never worked towards something in their lives like we have.

measuring, weighing, wanting
wanting, weighing, measuring your food.

plus the dope, the cleanbuterol in the spanish boef

they still have improvement left in them. Was not Lance using a rowing coach for triathlon?

great lateral thinking. Lets add more coaches.

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

Time will tell. Mark my words.

I'll write it in my diary... Where is it now. Wait up, I'll go and have a look in the kitchen drawer...

As if anyone would mark your words!

 

[blackcat]

they stole Lance's new coach

movement specialist, Aussie David Darbyshire

he offers hand relief post stage, when the swannies have given you the rubdown, enters David, and relieves the pent up tension.

Does so much for stress, and keeping the testo levels lower than the ratio to you can whack a patch on either of the remaining turkey throats.

 

[BotanyBay]

11)

No frigging wan*ers

 

[asdfgh101]

It is certainly possible that Sky have developed a bespoke formula; making the most efficient use out of the tools available.

An understanding of the type of athlete who would benefit most from the programme (Aicar + blood doping + ?)

Discerning subtleties -> Tailor programme -> Maximise results

Wiggins = Prototype responder

 

[blackcat]

Mood lights, ya c*nts!

mood lighting, swannies, and happy endings

 

[blackcat]

Swimming coaches and gynecologists. That's what "thinking outside the box" means in men's professional cycling.

hahahahaah chapeau

 

[Mount Megiddo]

I know this thread is a bit of laugh, maybe even by some self deprecation here given Wiggins' recent comments. But after the trolling is done, has anybody given some thought to what riders would say if they WERE clean and achieved results? It might actually be precisely the same thing that dopers would say to cover up their doping? That's why dopers say it, isn't it?

 

[blackcat]

wrong question.

RIGHT QUESTION: "what would I say if I was losing prizes, awards, compensation, to riders who were flouting the law?

Upton Sinclair It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it

 

[Mount Megiddo]

wrong question.

RIGHT QUESTION: "what would I say if I was losing prizes, awards, compensation, to riders who were flouting the law?

Upton Sinclair It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it

But what about my question? What would clean riders say about their training and performances?

As to your question, the clean side of cycling has rallied to Wiggins' side as never before, so I think that answers your question about whether they feel cheated. I'm sure they're grateful that you're looking out for them and support them though.

 

[La Vie Claire]

Professionalism.

 

[Mount Megiddo]

Like Bruyneel.

The other side can join in if they want - they want to make themselves look good - but I was thinking of Vaughters and his gang.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Like Bruyneel.

The other side can join in if they want - they want to make themselves look good - but I was thinking of Vaughters and his gang.

I'm not sure dragging Monsieur Ascot into the mix is going to convince this crowd...

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

“To all the cynics, I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry you can't believe in miracles. This is a great sporting event and hard work wins it. You f*****g ****ers!”

 

[Zam_Olyas]

“To all the cynics, I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry you can't believe in miracles. This is a great sporting event and hard work wins it. You f*****g ****ers!”

You are a lazy ****.