Tour de France 2013

[Cimber]

If stage 16 is rainy wiggo and Andy will lose time.

Anyways, the parcours seem boring (as usual)

 

[airstream]

IMO Pailheres and Bonascre is the best combo used by ASO in recent history. Maybe together with Romme - Colombiere but that wasn't a MTF. Maybe too much for Wiggins if raced at high speed.

Pailhères - Plateau de Beille?

 

[webvan]

IMO Pailheres and Bonascre is the best combo used by ASO in recent history. Maybe together with Romme - Colombiere but that wasn't a MTF. Maybe too much for Wiggins if raced at high speed.

Yeah Romme/Colombière i 2009 was awesome, major damage, but it was the end of the Tour, everyone was tired. Pailheres is a mean climb for sure, should be an exciting to watch!

 

[McLovin]

Pailhères - Plateau de Beille?

Some flat between them and none between Paiheres and Bonascre. Again, it's my opinion.

 

[icefire]

IMO Pailheres and Bonascre is the best combo used by ASO in recent history. Maybe together with Romme - Colombiere but that wasn't a MTF. Maybe too much for Wiggins if raced at high speed.

Wiggins should not worry. This will be a replay of Pailheres-Bonascre 2010 and Tourmalet-Luz Ardiden 2011

 

[airstream]

Some flat between them and none between Paiheres and Bonascre. Again, it's my opinion.

I see, but the flat piece is easily paid back with a PdB length which is twice as long as Ax-3-Domaines. This combo has really no analogues in the Tour. Something like Crostic+Zonc in the Giro.

 

[icefire]

I see, but the flat piece is easily paid back with a PdB length which is twice as long as Ax-3-Domaines. This combo has really no analogues in the Tour. Something like Crostic+Zonc in the Giro.

There are a few combos in the Pyrenees better than Pailheres-whatever. The best of them are in the wild west beyond Marie Blanque, though.

 

[McLovin]

Beyond Marie Blanque it's just a black map (for ASO)

 

[Afrank]

I cant see Evans being a factor really after a great Giro his recovery was getting worse too, although i dint think he'd get a podium in Giro so who no's. I dint put Quintana in the list because i think he will dom for Valverde and keep some back for the Vuelta. Any one no if Basso or Gesink will do the TDF or not?, if it stays better temps Gesink will do well imo.

I believe that plan was for Gesink to do the Tour after the Giro, doubt that has changed now.
For Basso the original plan was to do Giro-Vuelta, but with pulling out of the Giro he may be planning on doing the Tour.

 

[Linkinito]

Well it seems I had most of my classifications right, but some did surprise me.
What's underlined are my mistakes from my original prediction yesterday.

HC (7 climbs)
Port de Pailhères - 15,3 km @ 8 %
Mont Ventoux - 20,8 km @ 7,5 %
Alpe d'Huez 1 - 12,3 km @ 8,4 %
Alpe d'Huez 2 - 13,8 km @ 8,1 %
Col du Glandon - 21,6 km @ 5,1 % (first time ever being HC on this side)
Col de la Madeleine - 19,2 km @ 7,9 %
Annecy Semnoz - 10,7 km @ 8,5 %

1C (8 climbs)
Ax-3-Domaines (1360m) - 7,8 km @ 8,2 % (MTF)
Col de Menté - 7 km @ 7,7 %
Col de Peyresourde - 13,2 km @ 7 %
Col de Val Louron-Azet - 7,4 km @ 8,3 %
Hourquette d'Ancizan - 9,9 km @ 7,5 %
Col de l'Épine - 6,1 km @ 7,3 % (honestly expected 2C)
Col de la Croix-Fry - 11,3 km @ 7 %
Mont Revard - 15,9 km @ 5,6 %

2C (13 climbs)
Col de Vizzavona - 4,6 km @ 6,5 % (first appearance)
Col de Marsolino - 3,3 km @ 8,1 % (first appearance)
Col de la Croix de Mounis - 6,7 km @ 6,5 %
Col de Portet d'Aspet - 5,4 km @ 6,9 %
Col de Macuègne - 7,6 km @ 5,2 %
Col de Manse - 9,5 km @ 5,2 % (Vaison-la-Romaine - Gap stage)
Côte de Puy-Sanières - 6,4 km @ 6 %
Côte de Réallon - 6,9 km @ 6,3 % (didn't think those 2 climbs would make KOM as they weren't on the first list as part of the ITT)
Col de Manse - 6,6 km @ 6,2 % (Gap - Alpe d'Huez stage)
Col d'Ornon - 5,1 km @ 6,7 %
Col de Sarenne - 3 km @ 7,8 % (first appearance)
Col de Tamié - 8,6 km @ 6,2 %
Côte du Puget - 5,4 km @ 5,9 % (wasn't on the first list, I expected it to be 3C)

Back to 3C
Col de la Serra - 5,2 km @ 6,9 %
Col de San Martino - 7,5 km @ 5,4 %
Col des 13 Vents - 6,9 km @ 5,6 %

Some classifications are definitely weird (Puget 2C, Serra 3C or Macuègne 2C and San Martino 3C).

 

[The Hitch]

Got excited when i saw Madeline.

Then I realized it was 200km from the end of an otherwise rolling stage

 

[Netserk]

What a crap route.

Even with the cancellations it'll still be worse than the Giro

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Well, I for one am super excited.

Even a long shot chance for Cav to join the 8 stage club on this route.

 

[airstream]

probably close to the best route that ASO could objectively serve, considering their overwhelming commercial interests.

 

[Netserk]

2007 & 2006 routes were *much* better.

 

[rghysens]

probably close to the best route that ASO could objectively serve, considering their overwhelming commercial interests and willingness not to provoke riders to use illegal methods.

With such a route, they'll probably need some stillnox to stay awake on their bikes.

 

[airstream]

With such a route, they'll probably need some stillnox to stay awake on their bikes.

The thing is unlike race design thread enthusiasts organizers have no possibility to base purely on hardness of mountain combos and variety of route. They criterion are much more complex,

 

[rghysens]

The thing is unlike race design thread enthusiasts have no possibility to base purely on hardness of mountain combos and variety of route. They criterion are much more complex,

Yeah, I know, but there are at least 4 stages (Ajaccio, Calvi, Marseille and Lyon) that could be more entertaining, without exaggerating. A procession of dull races doesn't help ASO financially either, I think.

 

[ILovecycling]

Got excited when i saw Madeline.

Then I realized it was 200km from the end of an otherwise rolling stage

Most of the people(u too) are heavily underestimating this 2013 route.But man you have got Contador,Movistar guys, Rodriguez and even Froome can produce fun.

This Madeleine stage is one of my favourites of this year.
There is Glandon where the breakaway will be grouped,so with high tempo,then Madeleine is always tough- and there can be real damage if someone wants to eliminate domestiques.Those 3 climbs at the end are great cos its downhill finish and lot of opportunity to attack in last 30-20k.For me its definitely better than lAlpe stage

 

[Zam_Olyas]

probably close to the best route that ASO could objectively serve, considering their overwhelming commercial interests and willingness not to provoke riders to use illegal methods.

I am with you, I agree...no illegal methods it is the tour.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

The thing is unlike race design thread enthusiasts organizers have no possibility to base purely on hardness of mountain combos and variety of route. They criterion are much more complex,

I know that we wannabe race designers don't have to adhere to the same rules that a real race organiser does, but that doesn't always justify some of the garbage they serve. Look at the woeful Sion stage in Romandie last year, compared to the 2010 stage to the same city following the same criteria, but by a more interesting route. Give a monkey a plate of spaghetti and a map of the Lyon region and in under five minutes it'll come up with some more interesting routes for stage 14 that nevertheless connect the towns paying for hosting the start, finish and intermediate sprint primes.

 

[thehog]

My top 10
Froome
Contador +1:30s
Purito
Schleck
Wiggins(TDF climbs suit him more than any other country better gradients)
J.VdB
Valverde
Pinot(this guy was amazing youngest top 10 last year, only way is up)
Hesjedal?
Rolland

Pinot will podium this year.

Did very well at Romandie. Only getting stronger.

 

[guncha]

Some classifications are definitely weird (Puget 2C, Serra 3C or Macuègne 2C and San Martino 3C).

HC to Glandon is rubbish as 21,6 km @ 5,1 % is typical 1st cat climb. In terms of difficulty it is a piece of cake in comparison to Madeleine with 19,2 km @ 7,9 %. It is as bad joke as to give 1st cat to Col de la Croix in last year's stage to Porrentruy.

 

[guncha]

Here is link with more stage profiles than in official site:
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/113678023-Tour-de-France-2013-Stage-Profile-Overview

 

[melkemugg]

HC to Glandon is rubbish as 21,6 km @ 5,1 % is typical 1st cat climb. In terms of difficulty it is a piece of cake in comparison to Madeleine with 19,2 km @ 7,9 %. It is as bad joke as to give 1st cat to Col de la Croix in last year's stage to Porrentruy.

Glandon would maybe be a HC if it came last in the stage. Will result in a good stage either way, i hope.

I think the stages became better when i did a closer look. Its still a typical Tour profile where CG guys can chill out the first week and let the sprinters fight for a bit. Maybe stage 2 can be a little surprise if anyone is caught off guard. Not sure how hard those climbs are. It will sure be attacks for the polka.