Tour de France 2013

[roundabout]

That's a bit too good to be an actual route. Sorry.

And color me puzzled about stage 19.

 

[jsem94]

WAY too mountainous to be true. Plus, all the epic stuff late in the Tour is just going to mean 2011 all over again with boring first two weeks.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

That's a bit too good to be an actual route. Sorry.

And color me puzzled about stage 19.

It's one person's fantasy route with some rumors mixed in. It's useless.

 

[airstream]

Looks like the route from race design thread.

it can't be known so much about hotel bookings in july.

 

[Magnus]

And color me puzzled about stage 19.

What puzzles you about it?

 

[hoerpi]

WAY too mountainous to be true. Plus, all the epic stuff late in the Tour is just going to mean 2011 all over again with boring first two weeks.

Prudhomme said that the route next year will fit a rider like Quintana, that makes alot of mountains and one of them being col de joux plane likely imo.

 

[barmaher]

Hello cyclingfans!!

just rumors
"Based on local info & hotel bookings"

Etape 1 : Porto Vecchio - Bastia
Etape 2 : Bastia - Ajaccio
Etape 3 : Ajaccio - Calvi
Etape 4 : CLM par équipe Nice
Etape 5 : Cagnes sur Mer - Fréjus (Valloné par l'arrière pays)
Etape 6 : Aix en Provence - Montpellier (par la Camargue)
Etape 7 : Béziers - Toulouse
Etape 8 : Toulouse - Plateau de Beille (Agnès-Lers-Plateau de Beille)
Etape 9 : St Gaudens - St Lary Soulan (Menté-Portillon-Peyresourde-Azet)
REPOS
Etape 10 : Pau - Bordeaux
Etape 11 : Saintes - Nantes
Etape 12 : Bressuire - Tours
Etape 13 : Vierzon - Bourges (CLM individuel vallonné)
Etape 14 : Vichy - St Etienne (Col du Béal - Col de la Croix de l'Homme Mort)
Etape 15 : St Etienne - Montélimar (Col du Grand Bois-Col du Pranlet-Col de la Fayolle-Col du Benas)
REPOS
Etape 16 : Bédoin - Le Mont Ventoux (CLM individuel)
Etape 17 : Sisteron - Gap (Le Collet - Col de Pontis - St Apollinaire - Côte de la Rochette)
Etape 18 : Gap - L'Alpe d'Huez (Col d'Izoard - Col du Lautaret - L'Alpe d'Huez)
Etape 19 : Grenoble - Annecy (Col de Portes-Col du Cucheron-Col du Granier-Le Revard-Crêt de Chatillon)
Etape 20 : Annemasse - Morzine (Col de Sassel-Col de l'Avenaz-Col de la Ramaz-Col de Joux Plane)
Etape 21 : Montargis - Paris

http://www.velowire.com/article/536...3-in-corsica--all-details-here-.html#comments

http://forums.cyclingweekly.co.uk/showthread.php?12461-Le-Tour-de-France-2013

The stage into St. Lary would be very nice. Col d'Azet from that side is 7.5km at 8.3%...it would be followed by a technical descent into the finish at the village. And all this after climbing a nice trio of climbs.

Stage 19 looks tasty too. From what I can see Cret de Chatillon is not too far from Annecy, and it looks like a nice climb the way they would be climbing it.

That would e a very very mountainous route. The ITT would need to be pan flat and 60km to balance it.

 

[barmaher]

It is a nuts route.

 

[airstream]

At least, Pla-d'Adet and Alpe-d'Huez look quite plausible.

 

[roundabout]

What puzzles you about it?

The idea of a stage finish in Annecy. I thought Le Semnoz would be more likely, but ok, that rumored route has enough MTFs.

Assuming a finish in Annecy, what puzzles me are the possible variants of connecting Granier, Revard and Cret de Chatillon.

Less flat between climbs, but "easier" ascents or more flat between climbs and harder climbs.

I don't think the south side Cret de Chatillon is that difficult , but it's closer to Annecy. I think the west side is good enough, but it's further away from Mont Revard and further from the finish.

If it's a transitional mountain stage, then it's ok. But I dunno.

 

[Magnus]

The idea of a stage finish in Annecy. I thought Le Semnoz would be more likely, but ok, that rumored route has enough MTFs.

Assuming a finish in Annecy, what puzzles me are the possible variants of connecting Granier, Revard and Cret de Chatillon.

Less flat between climbs, but "easier" ascents or more flat between climbs and harder climbs.

I don't think the south side Cret de Chatillon is that difficult , but it's closer to Annecy. I think the west side is good enough, but it's further away from Mont Revard and further from the finish.

If it's a transitional mountain stage, then it's ok. But I dunno.

I immediately thought about this route: http://goo.gl/maps/YzYT
Where you have this ascent of Mont Revard: http://www.climbbybike.com/fr/profil.asp?Climbprofile=Mont-Revard&MountainID=6986
And this of Cret Chatillon:
http://www.climbbybike.com/profile.asp?Climbprofile=Cr%EAt-de-Chatillon&MountainID=6794

With the finish in Annecy immediately after the descent.

 

[barmaher]

The idea of a stage finish in Annecy. I thought Le Semnoz would be more likely, but ok, that rumored route has enough MTFs.

Assuming a finish in Annecy, what puzzles me are the possible variants of connecting Granier, Revard and Cret de Chatillon.

Less flat between climbs, but "easier" ascents or more flat between climbs and harder climbs.

I don't think the south side Cret de Chatillon is that difficult , but it's closer to Annecy. I think the west side is good enough, but it's further away from Mont Revard and further from the finish.

If it's a transitional mountain stage, then it's ok. But I dunno.

I think it would be a decent stage...it would have been one of the best stages this year...Top 3 for sure.

It would be fine with me in a Tour with finishes at Joux-Plane, Plateau de Beille and Alpe d'Huez...not to mind 3 other mountainous stages.

But as was pointed out, this is dream land.

 

[andrew_s]

We're talking about 2013, though. The railroad won't be a problem when it's finished. The [Puy de Dome] road will be smaller than before, but still big enough for the Tour.

I wouldn't call 1m of the old road remaining big enough.
http://www.panoramiquedesdomes.fr/upload/photo/inauguration_panoramique_gf_tcdome_32.jpg

 

[Ferminal]

Yeh I also thought that it would be Annecy-Semnoz.

 

[McLovin]

Port de Pailhères is rumored as MTF on stage 8.

 

[Ferminal]

Better than PdB I guess. Best possible would be from the West straight off Pradel. About 11.5km @ 7.7% (with the last 5km close to 10%). Would never happen like that though, have to have the "full" climb

 

[roundabout]

The "usual" side isn't bad. 15km at 8%.

 

[airstream]

Why would it be better than PdB?

 

[Netserk]

Why would it be better than PdB?

Because they finished there last year.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I wouldn't call 1m of the old road remaining big enough.
http://www.panoramiquedesdomes.fr/upload/photo/inauguration_panoramique_gf_tcdome_32.jpg

It's possible if they want it, which they don't. That would mean a Kronplatz type of deal, with more restrictions because it's the Tour and not the Giro, but it's definitely possible.

Why would it be better than PdB?

The Pailheres is more irregular in terms of gradients and the road surface is worse. It's a harder climb, IMO.

 

[roundabout]

Why would it be better than PdB?

Because as Ferminal wrote it can be connected to Pradel, while PdB is further from the nearest big climb

 

[red_flanders]

I immediately thought about this route: http://goo.gl/maps/YzYT
Where you have this ascent of Mont Revard: http://www.climbbybike.com/fr/profil.asp?Climbprofile=Mont-Revard&MountainID=6986
And this of Cret Chatillon:
http://www.climbbybike.com/profile.asp?Climbprofile=Cr%EAt-de-Chatillon&MountainID=6794

With the finish in Annecy immediately after the descent.

I've done that exact ride. Awesome. Not the hardest mountain stage in the world, but enough to make a difference. The descent is great.

 

[User Guide]

Hello cyclingfans!!

just rumors
"Based on local info & hotel bookings"

Etape 1 : Porto Vecchio - Bastia
Etape 2 : Bastia - Ajaccio
Etape 3 : Ajaccio - Calvi
Etape 4 : CLM par équipe Nice
Etape 5 : Cagnes sur Mer - Fréjus (Valloné par l'arrière pays)
Etape 6 : Aix en Provence - Montpellier (par la Camargue)
Etape 7 : Béziers - Toulouse
Etape 8 : Toulouse - Plateau de Beille (Agnès-Lers-Plateau de Beille)
Etape 9 : St Gaudens - St Lary Soulan (Menté-Portillon-Peyresourde-Azet)
REPOS
Etape 10 : Pau - Bordeaux
Etape 11 : Saintes - Nantes
Etape 12 : Bressuire - Tours
Etape 13 : Vierzon - Bourges (CLM individuel vallonné)
Etape 14 : Vichy - St Etienne (Col du Béal - Col de la Croix de l'Homme Mort)
Etape 15 : St Etienne - Montélimar (Col du Grand Bois-Col du Pranlet-Col de la Fayolle-Col du Benas)
REPOS
Etape 16 : Bédoin - Le Mont Ventoux (CLM individuel)
Etape 17 : Sisteron - Gap (Le Collet - Col de Pontis - St Apollinaire - Côte de la Rochette)
Etape 18 : Gap - L'Alpe d'Huez (Col d'Izoard - Col du Lautaret - L'Alpe d'Huez)
Etape 19 : Grenoble - Annecy (Col de Portes-Col du Cucheron-Col du Granier-Le Revard-Crêt de Chatillon)
Etape 20 : Annemasse - Morzine (Col de Sassel-Col de l'Avenaz-Col de la Ramaz-Col de Joux Plane)
Etape 21 : Montargis - Paris

http://www.velowire.com/article/536...3-in-corsica--all-details-here-.html#comments

http://forums.cyclingweekly.co.uk/showthread.php?12461-Le-Tour-de-France-2013

A buddy just come back from cycling there, is a great climb to Lac d'Aurmur near Azet climb is plenty of room for mtf (even more cpl k's back down the road I had a look on google earth )is in a national park though.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

A buddy just come back from cycling there, is a great climb to Lac d'Aurmur near Azet climb is plenty of room for mtf (even more cpl k's back down the road I had a look on google earth )is in a national park though.

It's (just) outside the core area of the national park, so that wouldn't be a problem. The Tourmalet is inside the national park as well...

 

[burning]

If the route is what capablanca has said, it is going to be simply crazy

I doubt that will happen though