Tour de France 2015 stage 20: Modane - Alpe d'Huez

[Nastyy]

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Pinot group has a decent gap on the peloton, he might take the stage.

I dunno, Pinot hasn't been climbing especially well this week.

He was 4th yesterday...

 

[Happy dude]

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The should make an all downhill tour for Bardet.

+1

And then Sagan could finish second

 

[rick james]

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if quintana doesn't win this tour, i cannot see him ever winning. there has never been a tour with fewer TT kms and so benefitting a climber.

the only way would be if prudhomme decided to turn the tdf into the ridiculous vuelta one year with 13 MTFs.

You seem to forget that he lost 1:30 through a tactical error. In a tour where he loses less than that in time trials, which is possible, he'll have as good a shot or better.

I hate to say it, i only think Froome went all inn on Saint-Martin. He held back on all the other stages, we are about to get some years of Froome domination.

Froome has been on the liit the last 2 day...

 

[jsem94]

Hm. Hesjedal, Rolland and Pinot have 1 ½ minute now... But nah, they probably won't win anyway.

 

[53x11 in DC]

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Looks like Froome is going to get the Polka Dot jersey. No idea why Bardet and Rodriguez didn't join the break. Are they dumb waiting for the final climb? If one wanted to win they needed to get 25 points on that climb.

Agreed. This surprised me. Especially for Bardet.

Because points are doubled at the top of l'Alpe. Spending efforts to get a 25 point lead on top of CdF isn't worth it if you are cooked in the final climb to l'Alpe. If Froome wins, he gets the KOM with the 50 points.

There was never any chance he would be anywhere near Froome on AdH. He needed the CdF points, period.

 

[fungusbear]

What gap do the break need going onto the alp over Quintana/Froome to win?

 

[Irondan]

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Pinot group has a decent gap on the peloton, he might take the stage.

I dunno, Pinot hasn't been climbing especially well this week.

He was 4th yesterday...

I wasn't thinking about yesterday. I guess he's going better than I thought.

 

[SeriousSam]

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if quintana doesn't win this tour, i cannot see him ever winning. there has never been a tour with fewer TT kms and so benefitting a climber.

the only way would be if prudhomme decided to turn the tdf into the ridiculous vuelta one year with 13 MTFs.

You seem to forget that he lost 1:30 through a tactical error. In a tour where he loses less than that in time trials, which is possible, he'll have as good a shot or better.

I hate to say it, i only think Froome went all inn on Saint-Martin. He held back on all the other stages, we are about to get some years of Froome domination.

Froome was already quite unlucky at the Tour. He could have won in 2012 without having to slave for Brad, he won 2013, he probably would have won 2014, and he wins 2015. It seems unbroken dominance is incredibly hard to achieve even if you are the strongest rider every year, makes Armstrong and Indurain all the more impressive.

 

[Big Doopie]

"shake hands with bernard hinault, count your fingers after"

carlton kirby, i like that one.

 

[whittashau]

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The should make an all downhill tour for Bardet.

I believe he won't need it in the future. Guy's the real deal.

There are a lot of great young riders though. Aru, Landa and Quintana will be difficult riders to dethrone going forward.

 

[Sky'sthelimit]

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What gap do the break need going onto the alp over Quintana/Froome to win?

Given the pace that will be exerted by Movistar, Astana and Sky I don't think that really be an issue.

 

[difdauf]

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What gap do the break need going onto the alp over Quintana/Froome to win?

4 mins is the limit. More than five would be enough. Less than 3 would be lost.

 

[Ramira]

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if quintana doesn't win this tour, i cannot see him ever winning. there has never been a tour with fewer TT kms and so benefitting a climber.

the only way would be if prudhomme decided to turn the tdf into the ridiculous vuelta one year with 13 MTFs.

You seem to forget that he lost 1:30 through a tactical error. In a tour where he loses less than that in time trials, which is possible, he'll have as good a shot or better.

Good point, though it does depend on how many TT kilometers there are. He lost only 11 seconds in the first TT, probably the same he'd lose in a prologue. And in 2013 he lost over a minute in 32km. So I think for a Tour with about 40km you're right. And there should be plenty of those.

What is true though is that unless he becomes a significantly better climber than Froome any Tour with 2 long TT's would be almost impossible to win. But right now I say he's odds on to win one Tour in his life. Though of course he could have a setback or a young rider could come and overtake him before he gets a chance to beat Froome (or Nibali/Contador).

 

[TI-Raleigh]

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if quintana doesn't win this tour, i cannot see him ever winning. there has never been a tour with fewer TT kms and so benefitting a climber.

the only way would be if prudhomme decided to turn the tdf into the ridiculous vuelta one year with 13 MTFs.

You seem to forget that he lost 1:30 through a tactical error. In a tour where he loses less than that in time trials, which is possible, he'll have as good a shot or better.

I hate to say it, i only think Froome went all inn on Saint-Martin. He held back on all the other stages, we are about to get some years of Froome domination.

Froome was already quite unlucky at the Tour. He could have won in 2012 without having to slave for Brad, he won 2013, he probably would have won 2014, and he wins 2015. It seems unbroken dominance is incredibly hard to achieve even if you are the strongest rider every year, makes Armstrong and Indurain all the more impressive.

+1

 

[Inquitus]

2 minutes over the GC group for all bar Giniez, not enough you'd think.

 

[Gigs_98]

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if quintana doesn't win this tour, i cannot see him ever winning. there has never been a tour with fewer TT kms and so benefitting a climber.

the only way would be if prudhomme decided to turn the tdf into the ridiculous vuelta one year with 13 MTFs.

You seem to forget that he lost 1:30 through a tactical error. In a tour where he loses less than that in time trials, which is possible, he'll have as good a shot or better.

Good point, though it does depend on how many TT kilometers there are. He lost only 11 seconds in the first TT, probably the same he'd lose in a prologue. And in 2013 he lost over a minute in 32km. So I think for a Tour with about 40km you're right. And there should be plenty of those.

What is true though is that unless he becomes a significantly better climber than Froome any Tour with 2 long TT's would be almost impossible to win. But right now I say he's odds on to win one Tour in his life. Though of course he could have a setback or a young rider could come and overtake him before he gets a chance to beat Froome (or Nibali/Contador).

Froome is older than Quintana so I expect that in 2 or 3 years NQ could be a better climber than froome

 

[Gigs_98]

and here we go

 

[Irondan]

Lets goooo!

 

[TMP402]

Why the hell are Lotto Soudal at the front of the peloton?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Almost there. All or nothing Q

 

[Sky'sthelimit]

Well folks, this is the one we have been looking forward too. Froome make sure you, have enough energy bars please.

 

[djpbaltimore]

It will be interesting to see what Hesjedal has left in the tank.

 

[Ramira]

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if quintana doesn't win this tour, i cannot see him ever winning. there has never been a tour with fewer TT kms and so benefitting a climber.

the only way would be if prudhomme decided to turn the tdf into the ridiculous vuelta one year with 13 MTFs.

You seem to forget that he lost 1:30 through a tactical error. In a tour where he loses less than that in time trials, which is possible, he'll have as good a shot or better.

I hate to say it, i only think Froome went all inn on Saint-Martin. He held back on all the other stages, we are about to get some years of Froome domination.

Froome was already quite unlucky at the Tour. He could have won in 2012 without having to slave for Brad, he won 2013, he probably would have won 2014, and he wins 2015. It seems unbroken dominance is incredibly hard to achieve even if you are the strongest rider every year, makes Armstrong and Indurain all the more impressive.

Without going to much off topic I sort of disagree with that. The Indurain/Armstrong era was different, in that climate it was far easier to be consistent. So a long period of dominance without natural decline was easier to sustain. So I wouldn't call it impressive per se.

Though if you go back to before Indurain it's easy to see that a long streak of Tour victories is nearly impossible. The closest were Anquetil and Merckx with 4 in a row, and they were of a different level.

 

[Fight.The.Power]

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if quintana doesn't win this tour, i cannot see him ever winning. there has never been a tour with fewer TT kms and so benefitting a climber.

the only way would be if prudhomme decided to turn the tdf into the ridiculous vuelta one year with 13 MTFs.

You seem to forget that he lost 1:30 through a tactical error. In a tour where he loses less than that in time trials, which is possible, he'll have as good a shot or better.

I hate to say it, i only think Froome went all inn on Saint-Martin. He held back on all the other stages, we are about to get some years of Froome domination.

Froome was already quite unlucky at the Tour. He could have won in 2012 without having to slave for Brad, he won 2013, he probably would have won 2014, and he wins 2015. It seems unbroken dominance is incredibly hard to achieve even if you are the strongest rider every year, makes Armstrong and Indurain all the more impressive.

ARMSTRONG ! HA - don't make me puke !

 

[classicomano]

Lets hope to God this works.