Tour de France 2017 stage 21: Montgeron > Paris, 103 KM

[rainman]

To show a distant arty shot during the last 250 metres is practically unbelievable. But it typifies the stupid coverage of the whole tour.

Well done Groenewegen well deserved.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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The others simply are so bad that a second tier sprinter can open the sprint with 350 metres and win. Lmao, Kristoff couldn't even hold the wheel.

Groenewegen has not been 2nd tier for a while now. Unless you have an insanely huge 2nd tier and only have Kittel in tier 1

Groenewegen can't be considered a first tier sprinter really. Wasn't this his first GT-stage?

 

[Gigs_98]

Guys the sprinter with by far the worst leadout of the day won.

 

[DFA123]

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The others simply are so bad that a second tier sprinter can open the sprint with 350 metres and win. Lmao, Kristoff couldn't even hold the wheel.

Yep, really embarrassing for Greipel, Kristoff and Bouhanni that they couldn't even manage a stage win, from about 11 sprin stages, even with Kittel, Cavendish, Sagan and Demare all leaving the race at various points.

I'm sure their respective sponsors will be requesting a meeting with team management early tomorrow morning.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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The others simply are so bad that a second tier sprinter can open the sprint with 350 metres and win. Lmao, Kristoff couldn't even hold the wheel.

Groenewegen has not been 2nd tier for a while now. Unless you have an insanely huge 2nd tier and only have Kittel in tier 1

Groenewegen can't be considered a first tier sprinter really. Wasn't this his first GT-stage?

He barely rode any GT except for the Tour if I'm correct.
He has beaten all top sprinters, including Kittel, in other races. This Tour he had the fastest top speed in 3 sprints.. And while being horrible placed a couple of times still finished 2nd and 3rd. This is probably the first sprint he was actually placed well before it started

 

[Gigs_98]

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The others simply are so bad that a second tier sprinter can open the sprint with 350 metres and win. Lmao, Kristoff couldn't even hold the wheel.

Groenewegen has not been 2nd tier for a while now. Unless you have an insanely huge 2nd tier and only have Kittel in tier 1

Groenewegen can't be considered a first tier sprinter really. Wasn't this his first GT-stage?

Yeah and only his 2nd WT stage win. No way he is a first tier sprinter.

 

[Samamba]

Groenewegen a first tier sprinter, lol :lol:

 

[DFA123]

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The others simply are so bad that a second tier sprinter can open the sprint with 350 metres and win. Lmao, Kristoff couldn't even hold the wheel.

Groenewegen has not been 2nd tier for a while now. Unless you have an insanely huge 2nd tier and only have Kittel in tier 1

Groenewegen can't be considered a first tier sprinter really. Wasn't this his first GT-stage?

He's not even close to top tier at the moment. I think that's not only his first GT stage, but only his second every WT stage win. Top tier sprinters rack up 5+ of those a season.

 

[Hayabusa]

He's only 24 and this is his second GT... it's all subjective to determine tiers but he's shown he can match the best in other races.

 

[trucido]

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The others simply are so bad that a second tier sprinter can open the sprint with 350 metres and win. Lmao, Kristoff couldn't even hold the wheel.

Groenewegen has not been 2nd tier for a while now. Unless you have an insanely huge 2nd tier and only have Kittel in tier 1

You mean he's lower than Tier-2? By what metric is he a Tier-1 sprinter?

 

[Ikbengodniet]

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WHAT I SAID!

If Groenewegen has his chance without Kittel, he is the fastest

Demare is faster.

 

[TMP402]

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Harambe.

Post of the Tour

 

[Keram]

Matthews 11th. His bunch sprints were really poor this Tour. Sagan would beat him for a green even with that first relegation with minus 80 points imo.

 

[jsem94]

I hate Flecha more and more

 

[DFA123]

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He's only 24 and this is his second GT... it's all subjective to determine tiers but he's shown he can match the best in other races.

So has Colbrelli at times, so has Degenkolb, so has EBH, so has Matthews. None of them are top tier sprinters though.

Groenewegen certainly has the potential, but he's nowhere near the elite level yet. His positioning is way too poor for a start.

 

[trucido]

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Matthews 11th. His bunch sprints were really poor this Tour. Sagan would beat him for a green even with that first relegation with minus 80 points imo.

Kittel may have beaten them both with the form he had.

 

[Hayabusa]

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He's only 24 and this is his second GT... it's all subjective to determine tiers but he's shown he can match the best in other races.

So has Colbrelli at times, so has Degenkolb, so has EBH, so has Matthews. None of them are top tier sprinters though.

Groenewegen certainly has the potential, but he's nowhere near the elite level yet. His positioning is way too poor for a start.

Again that depends on how you determine tiers which is subjective.

 

[DFA123]

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Matthews 11th. His bunch sprints were really poor this Tour. Sagan would beat him for a green even with that first relegation with minus 80 points imo.

And Kittel would have beaten Sagan comfortable. But neither finished the race, and Matthews did as much to animate it as almost anyone else, so it's a fully deserved win in my book.

 

[Ruby United]

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The others simply are so bad that a second tier sprinter can open the sprint with 350 metres and win. Lmao, Kristoff couldn't even hold the wheel.

Groenewegen has not been 2nd tier for a while now. Unless you have an insanely huge 2nd tier and only have Kittel in tier 1

Haha. No ways.
You are talking about Groenewegen in the same way Valv.Piti talks about Valverde.

He's got huge potential. He's a challenge for the top sprinters. Let's leave it at that.

 

[sankaa]

Guys the sprinter with by far the worst leadout of the day won.

Groenewegen was saved by Kristoff, who could not hold his wheel. Eddy Boss, Bouhanni and Greipel therefore where in a bad position. But hats off to Groenewegen, what a sprint.

 

[Leinster]

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The others simply are so bad that a second tier sprinter can open the sprint with 350 metres and win. Lmao, Kristoff couldn't even hold the wheel.

Groenewegen has not been 2nd tier for a while now. Unless you have an insanely huge 2nd tier and only have Kittel in tier 1

Some people are never happy. "The sprints are boring with Kittel winning all the time." Kittel crashes out creating open field for other sprinters. "The sprints aren't good enough when Kittel isn't there."

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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The others simply are so bad that a second tier sprinter can open the sprint with 350 metres and win. Lmao, Kristoff couldn't even hold the wheel.

Groenewegen has not been 2nd tier for a while now. Unless you have an insanely huge 2nd tier and only have Kittel in tier 1

Haha. No ways.
You are talking about Groenewegen in the same way Valv.Piti talks about Valverde.

He's got huge potential. He's a challenge for the top sprinters. Let's leave it at that.

We'll talk in a few years. You'll eat your words, all of you

This is a good start to it.

 

[DFA123]

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He's only 24 and this is his second GT... it's all subjective to determine tiers but he's shown he can match the best in other races.

So has Colbrelli at times, so has Degenkolb, so has EBH, so has Matthews. None of them are top tier sprinters though.

Groenewegen certainly has the potential, but he's nowhere near the elite level yet. His positioning is way too poor for a start.

Again that depends on how you determine tiers which is subjective.

Well sure, if you include the top 10 riders in any discipline as 'top tier' then he wouldn't be far off getting in. But then if you are putting Bouhanni and Kristoff in the same tier as Kittel and Cavendish, then it's a bit meaningless. Would be like saying that Froome and Meintjes are both top tier GC riders.

 

[Leinster]

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He's only 24 and this is his second GT... it's all subjective to determine tiers but he's shown he can match the best in other races.

So has Colbrelli at times, so has Degenkolb, so has EBH, so has Matthews. None of them are top tier sprinters though.

Groenewegen certainly has the potential, but he's nowhere near the elite level yet. His positioning is way too poor for a start.

His positioning was perfect today. He muscled Kristoff off his leadout man's wheel, then exploded out of the final corner.

 

[DFA123]

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He's only 24 and this is his second GT... it's all subjective to determine tiers but he's shown he can match the best in other races.

So has Colbrelli at times, so has Degenkolb, so has EBH, so has Matthews. None of them are top tier sprinters though.

Groenewegen certainly has the potential, but he's nowhere near the elite level yet. His positioning is way too poor for a start.

His positioning was perfect today. He muscled Kristoff off his leadout man's wheel, then exploded out of the final corner.

Yes, today it was excellent. Most of the other 10 sprint finishes in this Tour it has been terrible though. And it probably would not have been so good today with another four top quality sprinters and their trains all jostling for position - like there was at the start of he race.