Tour de France 2017 stage 9: Nantua > Chambéry - 181,5 km

[sir fly]

Re: Tour de France 2017 stage 9: Nantua > Chambéry - 181,5 k

If Aru crashed, had to wait, lost time, then never made contact, and then Froome DQ'd, the race would be absolutely into tatters. It already is with Sagan's unfair DQ, the crashes and other things going on. Thankfully Aru didn't crash, though if Froome did that on purpose, it's pretty low. Lower than Aru attacking when Froome had a puncture.

Remember when Contador tried to attack on the col jallabert descent but went off the road in 2013 and Froome had a hissy fit afterwards about how this was illegitimate and no one is allowed to crash in front of him. Walsh backed Froome, but the rest of the cycling world didn't - saying you are allowed to attack in cycling.

Anyway, that incident suggests Froome is enough of a hot head to do something like this.

Well, imagine the conversation between Froome and Aru after the mechanical and attack.
What do you think Aru could have responded to Froome if he's been willing to attack at such a moment?
Something worth of disciplinary measure, probably.

 

[TMP402]

I think Yates gained about a couple of minutes' lead in the white jersey.

 

[Robert5091]

Re: Tour de France 2017 stage 9: Nantua > Chambéry - 181,5 k

Apart from Uran - chapeau! - heartache all around. If Froome's fined it'll be his second time - punched a spectator before. AG2R showed the other teams up - chapeau!

Is it too early to call this race over?

 

[Hayabusa]

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I think Yates gained about a couple of minutes' lead in the white jersey.

Indeed, 2"17 infront of Meinjtes and Benoot. Latour just over 3 mins back.

 

[d-s3]

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time limit 40 min up, Demare still not finished

I'll believe anything like "rule applied also for Demare" only after 3 days...

 

[infeXio]

Equipe FDJ‏ @EquipeFDJ

⏱️ C'est terminé. Arnaud Démare, Mickaël Delage, Ignatas Konovalovas et Jacopo Guarnieri n'arriveront pas dans les délais. :sad:
#TDF2017

Trentin apparently amongst those outside the time limit as well.

 

[saganboss]

Re: Tour de France 2017 stage 9: Nantua > Chambéry - 181,5 k

juraj as well, and 5 other riders with demare

 

[bigcog]

Re: Tour de France 2017 stage 9: Nantua > Chambéry - 181,5 k

If Aru crashed, had to wait, lost time, then never made contact, and then Froome DQ'd, the race would be absolutely into tatters. It already is with Sagan's unfair DQ, the crashes and other things going on. Thankfully Aru didn't crash, though if Froome did that on purpose, it's pretty low. Lower than Aru attacking when Froome had a puncture.

Remember when Contador tried to attack on the col jallabert descent but went off the road in 2013 and Froome had a hissy fit afterwards about how this was illegitimate and no one is allowed to crash in front of him. Walsh backed Froome, but the rest of the cycling world didn't - saying you are allowed to attack in cycling.

Anyway, that incident suggests Froome is enough of a hot head to do something like this.

Well, imagine the conversation between Froome and Aru after the mechanical and attack.
What do you think Aru could have responded to Froome if he's been willing to attack at such a moment?
Something worth of disciplinary measure, probably.

Froome accidentally unclipped that's the reason for his movement but whatever.

 

[staubsauger]

Re: Tour de France 2017 stage 9: Nantua > Chambéry - 181,5 k

So what's the argument for not disqualifying Froome?

There ain't none. Casagrande got excluded from the 2002 Giro for a similar action. Just that Aru somehow managed to not crash. Froome intentionally hit an opponent that tried to attack. That's 100% a disqualification!

 

[The Hitch]

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From CN live stream:
"Contador, it transpires, received a heavy blow to the knee in the same crash that saw Thomas abandon. The Spaniard also hit the deck when Nairo Quintana bumped into him on the Grand Colombier. In the end, he fell away on the Mont du Chat and lost 4:19."

The second Contador was gapped I knew for 100% we'd hear this. Its like Cadel Evans used to be.

One of those things that are impossible to prove or disprove. We're all gonna believe what we want to believe.

But usually its the day after a crash you struggle more no?

Like Samu broke his wrist on Tourmalet but still beat Menchov. The day after he struggled.

 

[DFA123]

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From CN live stream:
"Contador, it transpires, received a heavy blow to the knee in the same crash that saw Thomas abandon. The Spaniard also hit the deck when Nairo Quintana bumped into him on the Grand Colombier. In the end, he fell away on the Mont du Chat and lost 4:19."

The second Contador was gapped I knew for 100% we'd hear this. Its like Cadel Evans used to be.

One of those things that are impossible to prove or disprove. We're all gonna believe what we want to believe.

If it is true though, I think it has reached a point anyway where if every small crash (which happens to you in most GTS you enter) leaves you in a position where you can't come close to putting out normal power, then you have to accept you don't have the physiology any more to ride GTs successfully. Every small bump to the knee or leg shouldn't hamper you that much, especially so soon after it's happened and before any real swelling.

 

[nilfen]

It was a day of many bad decisions! Bar accident, Froome will have this race bagged and the last two weeks will be the battle for secondary places!

Wish Contador hadn't started this race, he is ruining his legacy this way.

Glad it's a rest day tomorrow - gonna need it to bring the TdF-hype back in my head ;-)

 

[saganboss]

Re: Tour de France 2017 stage 9: Nantua > Chambéry - 181,5 k

only 125 guys within the time limit, but i don't think the jury will dsq kittel

 

[deValtos]

Wait, FDJ lost their sprint train because they were all back pacing Demare and OTL?

Bit of a screw up there me thinks.

 

[Dr. Watson]

only 125 riders within the time limit, what are the chances they actually throw all of them out?

 

[TMP402]

Re: Tour de France 2017 stage 9: Nantua > Chambéry - 181,5 k

only 125 guys within the time limit, but i don't think the jury will dsq kittel

I wish they would. Reduced peloton, more action.

 

[Põhja Konn]

Froome should get a small time penalty for the headbutt on Aru (a minute or two, not more). Nothing bad happened out of it, but the intent behind the move was so clearly nefarious that it shouldn't go unpunished. That Aru broke an unwritten rule before, is no excuse at all for lashing out on him physically.

 

[Dukerojo]

Re: Tour de France 2017 stage 9: Nantua > Chambéry - 181,5 k

only 125 guys within the time limit, but i don't think the jury will dsq kittel

I wish they would. Reduced peloton, more action.

We could only hope so

 

[TMP402]

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Wait, FDJ lost their sprint train because they were all back pacing Demare and OTL?

Bit of a screw up there me thinks.

You think any of the other guys would win except Demare?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

So, to sum up:

- I hope Richie is ok and can make a full recovery. I don't like the guy, but nobody likes to see anything like that.
- Likewise Thomas, though I didn't actually catch his crash on-screen.
- Warren Barguil is a beast and although I was pretty sure from the front-on that Urán still had the lead slightly at the finish, gutted for him that he got to do the celebrating before being told he hadn't won.
- Not sure entirely why Aru and Fuglsang were relaying with Froome at the end there.
- Nairito is overdone. Maybe he'll ease into the race by the end but it's likely even if so his deficit from week 1 will neutralize him.
- Aru deciding to move when he did was really stupid, and given where he was he can't even pretend he didn't know. That said, Froome's response was immature and just as stupid, and more importantly, against the actual rules rather than the 'accepted protocol'. I don't expect any time penalties will be assessed, and assume as the incident wasn't part of the sprint he can't be placed at the back of his group (therefore losing his 4" time bonus) either.
- Martin is a tough rider, but the comments about the organizers are excessive. There have been harder descents in a lot of races - including some he's won. Maybe it's heat of the moment because he was taken out, but you can't go up climbs without going down unless you are Unipublic.

 

[sir fly]

Re: Tour de France 2017 stage 9: Nantua > Chambéry - 181,5 k

If Aru crashed, had to wait, lost time, then never made contact, and then Froome DQ'd, the race would be absolutely into tatters. It already is with Sagan's unfair DQ, the crashes and other things going on. Thankfully Aru didn't crash, though if Froome did that on purpose, it's pretty low. Lower than Aru attacking when Froome had a puncture.

Remember when Contador tried to attack on the col jallabert descent but went off the road in 2013 and Froome had a hissy fit afterwards about how this was illegitimate and no one is allowed to crash in front of him. Walsh backed Froome, but the rest of the cycling world didn't - saying you are allowed to attack in cycling.

Anyway, that incident suggests Froome is enough of a hot head to do something like this.

Well, imagine the conversation between Froome and Aru after the mechanical and attack.
What do you think Aru could have responded to Froome if he's been willing to attack at such a moment?
Something worth of disciplinary measure, probably.

Froome accidentally unclipped that's the reason for his movement but whatever.

And, as usually the case is, it was nothing ill intended.

 

[DFA123]

Re: Tour de France 2017 stage 9: Nantua > Chambéry - 181,5 k

If Aru crashed, had to wait, lost time, then never made contact, and then Froome DQ'd, the race would be absolutely into tatters. It already is with Sagan's unfair DQ, the crashes and other things going on. Thankfully Aru didn't crash, though if Froome did that on purpose, it's pretty low. Lower than Aru attacking when Froome had a puncture.

Remember when Contador tried to attack on the col jallabert descent but went off the road in 2013 and Froome had a hissy fit afterwards about how this was illegitimate and no one is allowed to crash in front of him. Walsh backed Froome, but the rest of the cycling world didn't - saying you are allowed to attack in cycling.

Anyway, that incident suggests Froome is enough of a hot head to do something like this.

Well, imagine the conversation between Froome and Aru after the mechanical and attack.
What do you think Aru could have responded to Froome if he's been willing to attack at such a moment?
Something worth of disciplinary measure, probably.

Froome accidentally unclipped that's the reason for his movement but whatever.

Ah, the old accidental unclip. Very sly.

 

[SKSemtex]

Re: Tour de France 2017 stage 9: Nantua > Chambéry - 181,5 k

juraj as well, and 5 other riders with demare

Juraj stayed with Demare not to allow him a sticky bottles.
Good job Juraj

 

[luckyboy]

Here is an alternative angle of the Froome/Aru thing. Some people saying he unclipped but it seems unclear?

 

[Põhja Konn]

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only 125 riders within the time limit, what are the chances they actually throw all of them out?

They should of course. If even the Tour doesn't respect it own written rules, what's the point of it all?