If they actually add Madeleine before Galibier/Glandon, it would definitely be an improvement. Have they used this combo after 2001?Red Rick said:
As you can see on the cyclingcols links which was posted by Olav there are basically 3 ways to climb La Rosiere. The direct way would basically be a climb with gradients around 4 and 5% so that would be horrible, but you can also climb La Rosiere from the south or the southeast which still doesn't make this climb super hard but at least a proper 1st category climb. If they climb this which I think is both the best and the most likely option, you have an 18 kilometers climb at around 5.5% gradient, however in the middle you have 6 km @ 8%, so it is possible to attack there, since after that section there are only 3.5 around 5% steep kilometers.Valv.Piti said:
I guess so. There's a very small chance that ASO has an allergy for N90 (as it does for many other Nxx roads), but then all the big resorts can be approached via D220 or D86 Valezan road.OlavEH said:
railxmig said:
Or starting from Sallanches and going from the tunnel, then flat all the way to Aosta, then:Forever The Best said:
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That is a great option as well! Plan-Peisey seems 14 km at %7,3 at when I drew it on La Flamme Rouge. That way the attacks can start on Plan Peisey.Maaaaaaaarten said:Or starting from Sallanches going up Megève (2C) then to Albertville then:
Col des Cyclotouristes 1C -> Signal de Bisanne (1C/HC) -> Col du Prè (1C/HC) (followed by last few km of Cormet de Roselend 3C) -> Plan Peisey (minus the last km, still solid 1C) -> La Rosière (1C).
That would be about 210km with 5 solid first category climbs (some of them maybe even HC if we're using ASO categorisation) and starting off with an easy second category, which will nevertheless allow strong climbers to go in the break early on.
(EDIT: I see when I was looking up some of the climbs I got ninja'd by somebody else who also used Col du Prè. That's a nice climb, it will be great if the ASO can use it! And admittedly, the stage design in the post above is slightly more realistic than mine
I don't think in next 5-10 years you'll see Col du Pré. It's just a goat track in ASO's eyes, and hey only recentrly started to open up/bringing back some of the more known/demanded ones. Give them some time and maybe one year a Dauphine will use it.Chrispol said:Please stop dreaming, this is a serious thread, we are talking about ASO.
If we can have the Col du Pré like in the 2015 and 2016 Tour de l'Avenir, I'll be happy.
The 2007 stage you mentioned actually went through most of your stage, only finishing in Briançon. I think there was a post on twitter, which stated there won't be TdF in Hautes-Alpes next year, so Galibier is doubtful. if Sarenne will stay then it'll probably be via Glandon with the Groke of French Alps - the Oisans valley.Gigs_98 said:Do the rumors specifically mention the Madeleine? I'd love to see that climb in the tour again but maybe at a more meaningful spot. Moreover there would be a pass you could use instead, the Col de l'Iseran, which despite being the highest pass of the alps hasn't been used since 2007. A possible stage would look like this:
That would be the hardest tdf mountain stage for year
Yeah that statement that the tdf won't visit the Hautes-Alpes next year makes this stage less likely but not impossible. Last year the giro organizer already said early on that the 100th giro will be 100% in Italy and then there was a stage which went through Switzerland. I think the start and finish locations are probably fixed quite early in the planning process which is why organizers say things like "no stage in the Hautes-Alpes" or "all stages completely in Italy". But when they make the final route things like that can change since there are different ways to get from point A to point B. Personally I just hope for Galibier since it's the harder penultimate climb although Madeleine - CdF - Alpe d'Huez would ofc also be very hard.railxmig said:I don't think in next 5-10 years you'll see Col du Pré. It's just a goat track in ASO's eyes, and hey only recentrly started to open up/bringing back some of the more known/demanded ones. Give them some time and maybe one year a Dauphine will use it.Chrispol said:Please stop dreaming, this is a serious thread, we are talking about ASO.
If we can have the Col du Pré like in the 2015 and 2016 Tour de l'Avenir, I'll be happy.
Rumours are talking about La Rosière(?) followed up by AdH, which by now is around 70-80% sure. ASO doesn't seem to like La Rosière, as it might be yet another year (i think it was rumoured since 2014-15) it'll be dropped. If La Rosière stays then... because of AdH next day i don't expect any hardcore racing and Pré would be IMO misused.
The 2007 stage you mentioned actually went through most of your stage, only finishing in Briançon. I think there was a post on twitter, which stated there won't be TdF in Hautes-Alpes next year, so Galibier is doubtful. if Sarenne will stay then it'll probably be via Glandon with the Groke of French Alps - the Oisans valley.Gigs_98 said:Do the rumors specifically mention the Madeleine? I'd love to see that climb in the tour again but maybe at a more meaningful spot. Moreover there would be a pass you could use instead, the Col de l'Iseran, which despite being the highest pass of the alps hasn't been used since 2007. A possible stage would look like this:
That would be the hardest tdf mountain stage for year
There seems to be a strong rumour about a potential Millau - Carcassone stage via Mazamet, possibly via
Côte de Saint-Saraillé. On the other hand this article mentions a possible CLM in Lens, near Roubaix. If Compiègne - Roubaix is real, then i don't know, when it would be. I doubt this rumour will stay for long.
railxmig said:I don't think in next 5-10 years you'll see Col du Pré. It's just a goat track in ASO's eyes, and hey only recentrly started to open up/bringing back some of the more known/demanded ones. Give them some time and maybe one year a Dauphine will use it.Chrispol said:Please stop dreaming, this is a serious thread, we are talking about ASO.
If we can have the Col du Pré like in the 2015 and 2016 Tour de l'Avenir, I'll be happy.
Rumours are talking about La Rosière(?) followed up by AdH, which by now is around 70-80% sure. ASO doesn't seem to like La Rosière, as it might be yet another year (i think it was rumoured since 2014-15) it'll be dropped. If La Rosière stays then... because of AdH next day i don't expect any hardcore racing and Pré would be IMO misused.
Gigs_98 said:
OlavEH said:
Make it Rosael north side instead of Iseran and I'm on boardGigs_98 said:Do the rumors specifically mention the Madeleine? I'd love to see that climb in the tour again but maybe at a more meaningful spot. Moreover there would be a pass you could use instead, the Col de l'Iseran, which despite being the highest pass of the alps hasn't been used since 2007. A possible stage would look like this:
That would be the hardest tdf mountain stage for year
gregrowlerson said:
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