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Yeah well you know what ? I quite like this type of stage once in a while. Surely you can build massive MTF fests like 2016 and what does that give you ?? Stages like this have their place, they don't serve to have big names get a solo victory, but they can see a big name lose a Tour de France for good on a bad day when dropped by the others who then race together on the final flat part of stage.
Now of course if you have 5 or 6 MTFs the big names will be content to just ride together in a big slow bunch...
My question is when you have 7 or 8 stages of big mountains do we really need them all to be MTFs/decisive last climb ? Isn't there room as well for something else.
honnestly having one " Pescheux special" per Tour de France is actually quite nice, all mountain stages are never "decisive" and if all are billed as such, quite a few get processionned away by the leaders anyway.
Alexandre B. said:I can't wait for the Pescheux favorite
Yeah well you know what ? I quite like this type of stage once in a while. Surely you can build massive MTF fests like 2016 and what does that give you ?? Stages like this have their place, they don't serve to have big names get a solo victory, but they can see a big name lose a Tour de France for good on a bad day when dropped by the others who then race together on the final flat part of stage.
Now of course if you have 5 or 6 MTFs the big names will be content to just ride together in a big slow bunch...
My question is when you have 7 or 8 stages of big mountains do we really need them all to be MTFs/decisive last climb ? Isn't there room as well for something else.
honnestly having one " Pescheux special" per Tour de France is actually quite nice, all mountain stages are never "decisive" and if all are billed as such, quite a few get processionned away by the leaders anyway.
Tonton said:
I suspect it will be like a transitional stage 19 in 2017 - GC battle could be over by stage 18.
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I kinda agree. This kind of stage causes a kind of racing we never see on any other stages. And if you use it in years like 2010 when there were three more pyrenees stages anyway I have no problem with it. Moreover a stage like this doesn't frighten gc contenders to attack on the previous day while it's still not easy enough for domestiques to really get a rest.veji11 said:Alexandre B. said:I can't wait for the Pescheux favorite
Yeah well you know what ? I quite like this type of stage once in a while. Surely you can build massive MTF fests like 2016 and what does that give you ?? Stages like this have their place, they don't serve to have big names get a solo victory, but they can see a big name lose a Tour de France for good on a bad day when dropped by the others who then race together on the final flat part of stage.
Now of course if you have 5 or 6 MTFs the big names will be content to just ride together in a big slow bunch...
My question is when you have 7 or 8 stages of big mountains do we really need them all to be MTFs/decisive last climb ? Isn't there room as well for something else.
honnestly having one " Pescheux special" per Tour de France is actually quite nice, all mountain stages are never "decisive" and if all are billed as such, quite a few get processionned away by the leaders anyway.
Exactly, sure the otherway round it is more demanding and all, but add to this 6 or 7 more "for the leaders to battle it out" mountain stages with MTFs or descent finishes and do you get more battle ?
Variety is key for me and stages litke this are part of that variety.
Variety is key for me and stages litke this are part of that variety.
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I know this isn't the topic of the thread, but still I have to correct you since according to cyclingcols the Rettenbachferner is 9.8% steep and not 8.8%. And that number includes the first two kilometers of the climb which are basically flat. So the Rettenbachferner is actually 13 km @ 10.8% so clearly more difficult than the other climbs mentioned.Escarabajo said:
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Correct. In my data base I had that number from the Tour of Germany in 2007. Not sure why I had that number. The correct numbers from the last times that they raced that mountain are the same as yours.Gigs_98 said:
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i don't answer this question i just hope froome lose the tdf 2018 , even Bardet could win it but not froomepastronef said:
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For this Portet possibility, would it be possible to skip Balès and do Portet d'Aspet - Menté - Portillón - Mirador d'Arrès (would be around 18km from the finish) to Vielha, then do Luchon - Portet by going up and around Balès first then Peyresourde - Azet - Portet? That would be around 115km with two HCs bookending two cat.1s and would seem more reasonable than a 65km stage?
I still think Portet is fairly unlikely, mind.
Madeleine is a lot of traceurs' favourite "Tour classic", it is brutally tough, links perfectly to lots of different climbs and is hard to use as an MTF so it offers lots of excellent possibilities.Escarabajo said:
For this Portet possibility, would it be possible to skip Balès and do Portet d'Aspet - Menté - Portillón - Mirador d'Arrès (would be around 18km from the finish) to Vielha, then do Luchon - Portet by going up and around Balès first then Peyresourde - Azet - Portet? That would be around 115km with two HCs bookending two cat.1s and would seem more reasonable than a 65km stage?
I still think Portet is fairly unlikely, mind.
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I think Portet is in, the PQR is going mad since yesterday, France 3 has even a journalist on the air near the top of the climb who talked already about the roadworks.
And it woulb be a great homage to François Fortassin, a friend of Prudhomme, a political figure of the Haute-Pyrénées-departement who taugh him about Bales and now Portet, who passed away earlier in the year....
Libertine Seguros said:
I think Portet is in, the PQR is going mad since yesterday, France 3 has even a journalist on the air near the top of the climb who talked already about the roadworks.
And it woulb be a great homage to François Fortassin, a friend of Prudhomme, a political figure of the Haute-Pyrénées-departement who taugh him about Bales and now Portet, who passed away earlier in the year....
any of these pics are funny , always found the Alien or insect pics for Froome disgusting, so easy to do hidden behind the photo of someone else .......and Quintana isn’t betterTonton said:Latest rumour:
It will be Froome...
vs. Quintana.
Gee some people have very thin skin.. Those pics aren't particularly hilarious, but nothing offensive in there, or rather, it must have been horrible for poor eddy to be called a Cannibal or for poor Bernard to be compared with a badger... poor poor men really, so much pain from those nicknames...
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Jesus, such a snoozefest, even worse than the usual Giro presentation where people just won't stop talking.
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