Tour de France 2018 stage 6: Brest > Mûr de Bretagne 181 km

[Robert5091]

The last 30 km will be fast with elbows flying as it's all about position, position, position.

 

[yaco]

Yet to be convinced Alaphalippe is in top form. Have Valverde and Roglic as my favorites.

 

[mortand]

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The last 30 km will be fast with elbows flying as it's all about position, position, position.

Ah, Froome versus Zakarin, then

 

[SKSemtex]

Re: Tour de France 2018 stage 6: Brest > Mûr de Bretagne 181

After re-watching the yesterday finish I have this crazy conspiracy idea that GVA is probably discussing to join BORA next year.

It is the best option for him and for Bora as well.
He is not that expensive they cannot afford them. Part of the money can be paid by Specialized.
He has practically zero chance to win anything outside Bora and QST. He can find with Sagan way how to split the races.
QST is too strong for Sagan and BORA without the strong rider of Greg quality and Sagan will be lucky if he can win more than one two races in spring. QST knows how to ride against him and with improving and healthy Gaviria it will be even more difficult. Burghard and Oss are great but they are not good enough to be there at the very end when it matters.
I always wanted those two together playing with the field and QST especially.

I hope today Greg deliver Sagan to the line again, Valverde second and Ala third. Greg will keep the jersey

We use to say in Slovakia. The Wish ish is the father of the Thought.

 

[Blanco]

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Looks like a short enough climb to still suit Sagan much like the Tirreno stage this year where he won and the entire rest of the top 10 were gc climber types. They will have to go savagely hard on the tougher first half of the climb if they want to distance Sagan and I don't see who is brave enough to try it.

Roglic and Adam Yates are interesting outsiders for this finish and not mentioned by many people.

Valverde and Alaphilippe don't actually need to drop Sagan they just need to make sure he's worn out. Remember Valverde has beaten Sagan in sprints in the past. So he doesn't have to be dropped.

Agree, he beat him on this same Mur three years ago...

 

[bambino]

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Looks like a short enough climb to still suit Sagan much like the Tirreno stage this year where he won and the entire rest of the top 10 were gc climber types. They will have to go savagely hard on the tougher first half of the climb if they want to distance Sagan and I don't see who is brave enough to try it.

Roglic and Adam Yates are interesting outsiders for this finish and not mentioned by many people.

Valverde and Alaphilippe don't actually need to drop Sagan they just need to make sure he's worn out. Remember Valverde has beaten Sagan in sprints in the past. So he doesn't have to be dropped.

I'm not sure how exactly they will worn out Sagan enough. I don't think this stage is particularly hard and the Mur-De-Bretagne does not seem like a climb that could drop Sagan off the chart. At the end it is about 1,4km with roughly 8% average followed by 6-800m of roughly 2% false flat to the finish. The first part is easier than i.e. The Muur in Flanders where Sagan has been quite OK in the past, and the end suits his power sprint more than perfectly.

They could go ballistic on the first time to the Mur, and I mean Classics attack ballistic, but that would probably worn out themselves as well. This could be a stage for one of the QS classic specialists for long solo after the first time in Mur.

 

[saganftw]

i think porte will go out of saddle,from bottom to top not looking back,only question is who can stay on his wheel...i still go for alaphillipe because he wont be dumb 2 stages in a row

 

[SKSemtex]

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i think porte will go out of saddle,from bottom to top not looking back,only question is who can stay on his wheel...i still go for alaphillipe because he wont be dumb 2 stages in a row

Probably if this was the last mountain stage of the Tour and he was 4 seconds behind the leader.

 

[Bolder]

I hope we see one of the GC contenders with a little kick go for the win. Most likely scenario in that case is Froome gets a leadout and solos last km. Though Martin and Nibali looked sharp yesterday, and Bardet needs to start thinking about where he can take some time back.

More likely this goes to Alaphilippe or maybe Valverde.

 

[Keram]

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Sepúlveda is much easier to pronounce. You just need to know that it's the u that's accented and then it's pretty straight-forward. To pronounce Valverde correctly it requires quite a bit of tongue control with the"rd"-combination.

We have some funny tongue twister in slovak language. Strč prst skrz krk. Valverde with his rd is quite easy :lol:

 

[Keram]

Re: Tour de France 2018 stage 6: Brest > Mûr de Bretagne 181

After re-watching the yesterday finish I have this crazy conspiracy idea that GVA is probably discussing to join BORA next year.

It is the best option for him and for Bora as well.
He is not that expensive they cannot afford them. Part of the money can be paid by Specialized.
He has practically zero chance to win anything outside Bora and QST. He can find with Sagan way how to split the races.
QST is too strong for Sagan and BORA without the strong rider of Greg quality and Sagan will be lucky if he can win more than one two races in spring. QST knows how to ride against him and with improving and healthy Gaviria it will be even more difficult. Burghard and Oss are great but they are not good enough to be there at the very end when it matters.
I always wanted those two together playing with the field and QST especially.

I hope today Greg deliver Sagan to the line again, Valverde second and Ala third. Greg will keep the jersey

We use to say in Slovakia. The Wish ish is the father of the Thought.

That is completely crazy :lol: He gave Sagan lead out cause he was defending yellow and if Gilbert or Ala will attack today he will lead out Sagan again.

If it is raced normally Sagan could top 5 like last time but if Kwiato or Moscon will put the hammer down from the bottom he could be dropped or out of position.

 

[SKSemtex]

Re: Tour de France 2018 stage 6: Brest > Mûr de Bretagne 181

After re-watching the yesterday finish I have this crazy conspiracy idea that GVA is probably discussing to join BORA next year.

It is the best option for him and for Bora as well.
He is not that expensive they cannot afford them. Part of the money can be paid by Specialized.
He has practically zero chance to win anything outside Bora and QST. He can find with Sagan way how to split the races.
QST is too strong for Sagan and BORA without the strong rider of Greg quality and Sagan will be lucky if he can win more than one two races in spring. QST knows how to ride against him and with improving and healthy Gaviria it will be even more difficult. Burghard and Oss are great but they are not good enough to be there at the very end when it matters.
I always wanted those two together playing with the field and QST especially.

I hope today Greg deliver Sagan to the line again, Valverde second and Ala third. Greg will keep the jersey

We use to say in Slovakia. The Wish ish is the father of the Thought.

That is completely crazy :lol: He gave Sagan lead out cause he was defending yellow and if Gilbert or Ala will attack today he will lead out Sagan again.

If it is raced normally Sagan could top 5 like last time but if Kwiato or Moscon will put the hammer down from the bottom he could be dropped or out of position.

I know.
But it was funny to see GVA not sticking to his back wheel till the last possible moment.

I was quite surprised to see them chatting and smiling in the beginning of the stage.

 

[tomorrow]

Re: Tour de France 2018 stage 6: Brest > Mûr de Bretagne 181

After re-watching the yesterday finish I have this crazy conspiracy idea that GVA is probably discussing to join BORA next year.

It is the best option for him and for Bora as well.
He is not that expensive they cannot afford them. Part of the money can be paid by Specialized.
He has practically zero chance to win anything outside Bora and QST. He can find with Sagan way how to split the races.
QST is too strong for Sagan and BORA without the strong rider of Greg quality and Sagan will be lucky if he can win more than one two races in spring. QST knows how to ride against him and with improving and healthy Gaviria it will be even more difficult. Burghard and Oss are great but they are not good enough to be there at the very end when it matters.
I always wanted those two together playing with the field and QST especially.

I hope today Greg deliver Sagan to the line again, Valverde second and Ala third. Greg will keep the jersey

We use to say in Slovakia. The Wish ish is the father of the Thought.

This marriage would be benefitial for both sides, its true. I just beg to differ, they wouldn't have to split the races. They should just do what QS did last year, with GvA attempting long range attacks, he's obviously more suited to that, so far. The question just is, if Sagan with his attitude would be ok with this style of racing, where he would be riding so negative. It would be wise, and those 2 combined, e.g. in the situation of this year's Flanders, would have brought Terpstra back, when sharing same amount of work. The splitting should only happen, if the come to Paterberg or last km and similar cruacial points in other races together.

 

[tobydawq]

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Sepúlveda is much easier to pronounce. You just need to know that it's the u that's accented and then it's pretty straight-forward. To pronounce Valverde correctly it requires quite a bit of tongue control with the"rd"-combination.

We have some funny tongue twister in slovak language. Strč prst skrz krk. Valverde with his rd is quite easy :lol:

Yeah, that wouldn't go well with the Danish announcers given how Martin Skrtel was always called Squirtle or something.

 

[movingtarget]

Re: Tour de France 2018 stage 6: Brest > Mûr de Bretagne 181

After re-watching the yesterday finish I have this crazy conspiracy idea that GVA is probably discussing to join BORA next year.

It is the best option for him and for Bora as well.
He is not that expensive they cannot afford them. Part of the money can be paid by Specialized.
He has practically zero chance to win anything outside Bora and QST. He can find with Sagan way how to split the races.
QST is too strong for Sagan and BORA without the strong rider of Greg quality and Sagan will be lucky if he can win more than one two races in spring. QST knows how to ride against him and with improving and healthy Gaviria it will be even more difficult. Burghard and Oss are great but they are not good enough to be there at the very end when it matters.
I always wanted those two together playing with the field and QST especially.

I hope today Greg deliver Sagan to the line again, Valverde second and Ala third. Greg will keep the jersey

We use to say in Slovakia. The Wish ish is the father of the Thought.

That makes no sense cause they will be targeting the same races basically. The team will also need to be cashed up to afford it anyway.

 

[SKSemtex]

Re: Tour de France 2018 stage 6: Brest > Mûr de Bretagne 181

After re-watching the yesterday finish I have this crazy conspiracy idea that GVA is probably discussing to join BORA next year.

It is the best option for him and for Bora as well.
He is not that expensive they cannot afford them. Part of the money can be paid by Specialized.
He has practically zero chance to win anything outside Bora and QST. He can find with Sagan way how to split the races.
QST is too strong for Sagan and BORA without the strong rider of Greg quality and Sagan will be lucky if he can win more than one two races in spring. QST knows how to ride against him and with improving and healthy Gaviria it will be even more difficult. Burghard and Oss are great but they are not good enough to be there at the very end when it matters.
I always wanted those two together playing with the field and QST especially.

I hope today Greg deliver Sagan to the line again, Valverde second and Ala third. Greg will keep the jersey

We use to say in Slovakia. The Wish ish is the father of the Thought.

That makes no sense cause they will be targeting the same races basically. The team will also need to be cashed up to afford it anyway.

I still think that half million can be paid by Specialized as it would mean they will win a lot with Sagan.
And GVA will win nothing outside BORA or QST.
And by splitting the races I did not mean target different races, I meant splitting who is going to win a particular race.

 

[movingtarget]

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i think porte will go out of saddle,from bottom to top not looking back,only question is who can stay on his wheel...i still go for alaphillipe because he wont be dumb 2 stages in a row

I think this climb from history shows a late attack usually wins. I don't think Porte would waste that much energy so early in the Tour for a small possible gain and will probably be more about trying to stay as close to Valverde and others as possible. He can be watchful at least until the cobbles stage. He has bigger fish to fry in the Alps and Pyrenees. Be interesting to see how Froome goes also Quintana. This will go to a climber that can sprint like Ala, Valverde or Martin. Porte is too one paced. Uran and maybe Yates should also like the climb.

 

[SKSemtex]

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i think porte will go out of saddle,from bottom to top not looking back,only question is who can stay on his wheel...i still go for alaphillipe because he wont be dumb 2 stages in a row

I think this climb from history shows a late attack usually wins. I don't think Porte would waste that much energy so early in the Tour for a small possible gain and will probably be more about trying to stay as close to Valverde and others as possible. He can be watchful at least until the cobbles stage. He has bigger fish to fry in the Alps and Pyrenees. Be interesting to see how Froome goes also Quintana. This will go to a climber that can sprint like Ala, Valverde or Martin. Porte is too one paced. Uran and maybe Yates should also like the climb.

It is pity that Dylan Theuns is not with BMC here. As I remember last year he supposed to be the new Valverde on these time of finishes.

 

[krakenKE]

Apart of obvious favorites I went with Roglic with nice 28 odds. He can repeat what Vuillermoz did in 2015.

 

[tobydawq]

I don't know if he'll win the stage, but Gilbert will be in yellow after today.

 

[krakenKE]

Re: Tour de France 2018 stage 6: Brest > Mûr de Bretagne 181

After re-watching the yesterday finish I have this crazy conspiracy idea that GVA is probably discussing to join BORA next year.

It is the best option for him and for Bora as well.
He is not that expensive they cannot afford them. Part of the money can be paid by Specialized.
He has practically zero chance to win anything outside Bora and QST. He can find with Sagan way how to split the races.
QST is too strong for Sagan and BORA without the strong rider of Greg quality and Sagan will be lucky if he can win more than one two races in spring. QST knows how to ride against him and with improving and healthy Gaviria it will be even more difficult. Burghard and Oss are great but they are not good enough to be there at the very end when it matters.
I always wanted those two together playing with the field and QST especially.

I hope today Greg deliver Sagan to the line again, Valverde second and Ala third. Greg will keep the jersey

We use to say in Slovakia. The Wish ish is the father of the Thought.

That makes no sense cause they will be targeting the same races basically. The team will also need to be cashed up to afford it anyway.

I still think that half million can be paid by Specialized as it would mean they will win a lot with Sagan.
And GVA will win nothing outside BORA or QST.
And by splitting the races I did not mean target different races, I meant splitting who is going to win a particular race.

He will definitely win nothing in DD, but the question remains who will do the chasing when QS attacks? Do you believe that GVA or Peter would sacrafice themselves to chase Terpstra? And even if they cooperate somebody else from QS would attack. This can only work if they attack and put QS in defensive position.

 

[SKSemtex]

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I don't know if he'll win the stage, but Gilbert will be in yellow after today.

What do you think? Do they throw a coin with Ala who is going for it today?

 

[SKSemtex]

Re: Tour de France 2018 stage 6: Brest > Mûr de Bretagne 181

After re-watching the yesterday finish I have this crazy conspiracy idea that GVA is probably discussing to join BORA next year.

It is the best option for him and for Bora as well.
He is not that expensive they cannot afford them. Part of the money can be paid by Specialized.
He has practically zero chance to win anything outside Bora and QST. He can find with Sagan way how to split the races.
QST is too strong for Sagan and BORA without the strong rider of Greg quality and Sagan will be lucky if he can win more than one two races in spring. QST knows how to ride against him and with improving and healthy Gaviria it will be even more difficult. Burghard and Oss are great but they are not good enough to be there at the very end when it matters.
I always wanted those two together playing with the field and QST especially.

I hope today Greg deliver Sagan to the line again, Valverde second and Ala third. Greg will keep the jersey

We use to say in Slovakia. The Wish ish is the father of the Thought.

That makes no sense cause they will be targeting the same races basically. The team will also need to be cashed up to afford it anyway.

I still think that half million can be paid by Specialized as it would mean they will win a lot with Sagan.
And GVA will win nothing outside BORA or QST.
And by splitting the races I did not mean target different races, I meant splitting who is going to win a particular race.

He will definitely win nothing in DD, but the question remains who will do the chasing when QS attacks? Do you believe that GVA or Peter would sacrafice themselves to chase Terpstra? And even if they cooperate somebody else from QS would attack. This can only work if they attack and put QS in defensive position.

Good golden boy OSS

 

[Baldinger]

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Looks like cross winds today.

 

[tobydawq]

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I don't know if he'll win the stage, but Gilbert will be in yellow after today.

What do you think? Do they throw a coin with Ala who is going for it today?

I think Gilbert looked much better than Ala yesterday. He was really impressive in the finale with his early attack, and still being able to hold on for third.

Ala spent some energy on the bonus sprint, though and today should suit him more, but I think both will go for it again.

Gilbert just needs a top 3 to get in yellow, though. I think that's feasible.