Tour de France 2020 | Stage 13 (Châtel-Guyon - Puy Mary, 191.5 km)

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Roglic really strong, but not really that intimidating. Pogacar could stay with him until the end on a climb that was much more suitable for Roglic' high cadence spinning style. Looks are deceptive and too much are being read into him looking effortless and barely breathing. I'm certain he went as hard as he could today and in the end failed to drop his strongest rival.

Still Roglic is certainly the main favourite for the overall, but not yet looking invincible. Pogacar, Bernal (not counting him out just yet) and others need to put Roglic into some difficulties in the coming mountain stages. If they are able to do that, his advantage in the TT could end up being much less than what would normally be expected. If they are unable to do so, the TT will have no consequence in the battle for yellow anyway.
 
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Thought Bernal rallied well in the end. Looked like he was gonna lose alot of time at one stage
Kind of thought the opposite to be honest. After getting dropped he nearly got back on to the Porte/Landa/Lopez group but then he blew up after the hairpin.
 
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I know it was a brutal slog to the finish line, but I was surprised not to see a real attempt to pass by Pogačar, or Roglič trying to make sure he didn't come around. Pog has a pretty good sprint. Can't imagine he'd make a deal at this point, but it was a bit odd to me. Maybe nothing. Thoughts?
 
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Think he was just completely cooked to be honest, don’t think Ineos would have tried to ride so hard earlier on if he felt really bad.
I thought that was silly IMO. Even if Egan told them that he felt good, you still have no business going to the front. You are not the leader and this is a very steep climb that requires power and therefore in paper it fits Roglic and Pogacar better.

There is slim chance of a come back but the race is almost sealed. I still have doubts about Pogacar and the third week. Maybe a race for the podium is good.
 
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I know it was a brutal slog to the finish line, but I was surprised not to see a real attempt to pass by Pogačar, or Roglič trying to make sure he didn't come around. Pog has a pretty good sprint. Can't imagine he'd make a deal at this point, but it was a bit odd to me. Thoughts?
They are clearly working together.
 
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Nah, I know, but its high altitude and and the same time by far the hardest MTF of the race in the 3rd week. If he cant drop Roglic there, obviously he stand no chance at all, but I think he can
This, it also has to be said that Bernal is at his worst on muritos, while Roglic is at his best on those climbs. I guess grinding a big gear seated is a big factor. Last year durning Lombardia he looked weaker than Sosa on the Muro, but was up there with the best on the Civiglio.
 
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Just as I expected two steep climbs in last 15 kms shattered the favourites group and it got interesting. The GC is clearer now with larger time differences. This race is like Vuelta 2019 with Slovenians being the strongest guys. It will be difficult to unseat Roglic, he was very strong today and didn't look tired at all. IMO only Pogacar has a realistic chance (too bad he lost 1'20'' another day!). Bernal was so exhausted today - he should be happy that the climb today wasn't 2-3 km longer, otherwise he would lose a couple of minutes. There is still a long way to go to Paris and we will see who is the strongest in the 3rd week but I don't see Bernal distancing both Slovenians. It will probably be decided between them with Roglic being in a better position as of now.
 
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Nah, I know, but its high altitude and and the same time by far the hardest MTF of the race in the 3rd week. If he cant drop Roglic there, obviously he stand no chance at all, but I think he can
I think the main question is what's the main thing about the climb that matters. It's high, but most of the stage isn't, it doesn't get steep until the final 5km, etc.

There's a number of climbs with similarities and not all of them always have insane gaps.
 
Nah, I know, but its high altitude and and the same time by far the hardest MTF of the race in the 3rd week. If he cant drop Roglic there, obviously he stand no chance at all, but I think he can

Massive Central is not really high altitude, today topped out at 1589 meters, and most day was 800-1200 meters altitude.

The passes in the Alps are higher, like for instance Col de la Loze at above 2300 meters.
 
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I know it was a brutal slog to the finish line, but I was surprised not to see a real attempt to pass by Pogačar, or Roglič trying to make sure he didn't come around. Pog has a pretty good sprint. Can't imagine he'd make a deal at this point, but it was a bit odd to me. Thoughts?
No bonus points at the end and the climb was too short to really get minutes given the low pace the peloton had.
 
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I know it was a brutal slog to the finish line, but I was surprised not to see a real attempt to pass by Pogačar, or Roglič trying to make sure he didn't come around. Pog has a pretty good sprint. Can't imagine he'd make a deal at this point, but it was a bit odd to me. Maybe nothing. Thoughts?
What did it matter? No stage win, no bonus seconds. Roglic lifted the tempo in the end, Pogi couldn't pass and had his hands full with just following.
 
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Massive Central is not really high altitude, today topped out at 1589 meters, and most day was 800-1200 meters altitude.

The passes in the Alps are higher, like for instance Col de la Loze at above 2300 meters.
Welll, thats exactly that point I made, wasn't it?
 
May 25, 2018
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I thought that was silly IMO. Even if Egan told them that he felt good, you still have no business going to the front. You are not the leader and this is a very steep climb that requires power and therefore in paper it fits Roglic and Pogacar better.

There is slim chance of a come back but the race is almost sealed. I still have doubts about Pogacar and the third week. Maybe a race for the podium is good.
I feel like Ineos aren't able to adapt to the new race situation and just can't turn off the instinct to do the train
 
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I know it was a brutal slog to the finish line, but I was surprised not to see a real attempt to pass by Pogačar, or Roglič trying to make sure he didn't come around. Pog has a pretty good sprint. Can't imagine he'd make a deal at this point, but it was a bit odd to me. Maybe nothing. Thoughts?

POG was blowing hard and just hanging on. No deals, he was over limit to stay on the wheel.
 
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I think the main question is what's the main thing about the climb that matters. It's high, but most of the stage isn't, it doesn't get steep until the final 5km, etc.

There's a number of climbs with similarities and not all of them always have insane gaps.
But they are climbing the monster that is Madeline before Loze. It can get real nasty if you dont have legs on such a stage. Pressure on Madeleine and 2/3 of Loze by the domestiques, then go with 6-7 kilometres left and see what happens
 
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I thought that was silly IMO. Even if Egan told them that he felt good, you still have no business going to the front. You are not the leader and this is a very steep climb that requires power and therefore in paper it fits Roglic and Pogacar better.

There is slim chance of a come back but the race is almost sealed. I still have doubts about Pogacar and the third week. Maybe a race for the podium is good.

I respectfully disagree that the race is almost sealed. Both Pog and Bernal are within a minute. Clearly both need to gain circa 2mins to have at least a minute on Rogla before the time trial. A bad day is still possible for anyone, even if unlikely. If a bad day happens on stage 17 it means 2-3 minutes lost. Unlikely as Rogla looks very good but possible.
 
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But they are climbing the monster that is Madeline before Loze. It can get real nasty if you dont have legs on such a stage. Pressure on Madeleine and 2/3 of Loze by the domestiques, then go with 6-7 kilometres left and see what happens
Sounds good in theory except Roglic has a good team plus another helper in Pogacar. I can see the Slovenians collabing to follow Bernal on Loze. At the moment it doesn't seem like Bernal has the legs to put minutes on Loze. Neither Quintana.
 

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Agreed, I thought the collaborated, but I still think it's early for deal-making for wins. I thought they both looked on the limit, but still, not to sprint...

I’m sorry. Y sprint? Um ... no time bonus. U will have same time no matter. Just go hard. And Pog looked on the limit.
 
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Sounds good in theory except Roglic has a good team plus another helper in Pogacar. I can see the Slovenians collabing to follow Bernal on Loze. At the moment it doesn't seem like Bernal has the legs to put minutes on Loze. Neither Quintana.
Yes, but at this point there no other way out. Gotta try on Colombiere, gotta try on Loze and if he's still in contention, gotta try to go lon on stage 18. And thats regardless of how strong Lotto is, this is the only way you can win.