Tour de France 2020 | Stage 14 (Clermont-Ferrand - Lyon, 194 km)

[Red Rick]

They should stop handing out double points on finishes, no attacker believes they can beat Roglic/Pogacar it seems.

Only double points on Col de la Loze IIRC

 

[Libertine Seguros]

They tried after 2010 happened.

I still feel bad for Charteau because of that. The categorisation of that era wasn't that bad actually, it worked well with people like Rasmussen, Soler and even Pellizotti as winners, but the routes of that era, with too many neutered mountain stages where they gave double points for the final climb of the day, but it was over 50km from the finish, meant no GC guys even considered it, and then the fight between Abarcá and Radioshack for the Teams Classification meant Moreau, the nearest challenger, wasn't allowed up the road in stage 17. If Christophe Moreau, an ageing former Tour GC man from France, takes the 2010 GPM as a career parting gift no different from Garzelli's GPM victories in the Giro, the system probably doesn't get revamped at all.

The Giro system was pretty strong too, with its "arrival" category and the double for the Cima Coppi, as well as very stingy points for only the top 3-4 riders on any given climb, and for the most part until the revamp that had very strong KOMs too, as it was often targeted by strong ProConti teams (Garzelli, Sella, Pérez Cuapio) or specialists (Piepoli) but even then you had situations where nobody really targeted it, or the people targeting it crashed out leaving low score winners (Wegmann in 2004 and Lloyd in 2010 both won with just 56 points, as opposed to Sella in 2008 with 136 or Rujano in 2005 with 143).

 

[Northerner]

Are they riding this hard to maybe get Ewan to miss the time limit?

He is 14 minutes behind apparently right now

At the current speed the time cut will be something like 35 minutes.

The stage has a coefficient of 2 in the rule book for 'Stages with rolling terrain' - 50 points for the winner but more generous time limits than pan flat stages.

 

[tobydawq]

50 poins according to the rule book. No link as I'm on the phone

Great, I couldn't manage to find it.

 

[Red Rick]

If it's classified as flat the time limit isn't gonna be very big no?

 

[Broccolidwarf]

If it's classified as flat the time limit isn't gonna be very big no?

Time limit should be just under 30 minutes today.

 

[RedheadDane]

If it's classified as flat the time limit isn't gonna be very big no?

Apparently it's classified as flat, but... slightly hillier...

 

[KnowNothing]

It'll probably be 14/15% so 35-40 minutes

 

[Bardamu]

Fearing for Caleb?

 

[Flamin]

Should be an interesting finale. Hopefully there will be some strong guys going for it on the last bump(s) instead of most teams banking on a bunch sprint.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Is that Wout riding directly behind Sagan? Wonder how that’s going

 

[Red Rick]

It'll probably be 14/15% so 35-40 minutes

Lmao what a joke.

 

[SafeBet]

Fearing for Caleb?

He won't lose 15minutes in 30 km. It's flattish till the end.

 

[spalco]

Is that Wout riding directly behind Sagan? Wonder how that’s going

Yeah, I'd say about equal chance of Sagan winning, Van Aert winning or them getting into a fist fight.

 

[Bardamu]

It'll probably be 14/15% so 35-40 minutes

I heard it would be either 7 or 8 %.

 

[tobydawq]

Great, I couldn't manage to find it.

Now I found it, and you're right. That's great. God I hope he wins.

 

[spalco]

Lmao what a joke.

Come on, there was a cat 2 in the beginning, a bit tough to call it a "flat" stage.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

It'll probably be 14/15% so 35-40 minutes

Road book apparently says 13 %

 

[ThePirate81]

Is Hirschi in the front group?

 

[Red Rick]

Come on, there was a cat 2 in the beginning, a bit tough to call it a "flat" stage.

Classify it as something in the middle, whatever, 40 minutes is like a queen stage time cut.

 

[Bardamu]

Road book apparently says 13 %

Hehe now I don't know what to believe.

 

[KnowNothing]

Between 42 and 43 km/h it's 14%, currently we're 42.3km/h

The manual is here: https://netstorage.lequipe.fr/ASO/cycling_tdf/tdf20-reglement-fruk-bd.pdf and it's page 29

 

[SafeBet]

Is Hirschi in the front group?

He was a few minutes ago so I guess he still is.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

It’s clear in the way Trek is riding, that they believe in Porte now.

A stage like this could be won by Steuven/Theuns/Pedersen, but they are protecting Porte instead.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

Hehe now I don't know what to believe.

It depends on the average speed, and that changes over the course of the stage