Tour de France Tour de France 2021, Stage 15: Céret – Andorre-la-Vieille, 191.3 km

[HelloDolly]

I will be disappointed if JV and Vingegaard dont try something given the heat and terrain
A little try everyday before next Saturday would do me

But also expect Ineos to try today

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I think a lot of people are acting like it would be a massive disappointment if Vingegaard doesn't finish on the podium. No! It will be a massive achievement if he does finish on the podium. Top-10 will be a great result.

Yes, it will be a good result for him, but not for Jumbo. So they should either fully support him or not do it at all and only target stage wins. If they are doing the former or the latter remains to be seen, though only having Teunissen with him now and the riding of Van Aert, Kuss and Kruijswijk on other stages point a bit to the latter.

 

[RedheadDane]

I will be disappointed if JV and Vingegaard dont try something given the heat and terrain

Don't you mean that you'll be disappointed if JV and JV don't try something?

 

[glassmoon]

wtf de gent

 

[mortand]

De Gendt thinking Caleb Ewan's still in the race?

Naah, probably just bored.

 

[RedheadDane]

Yes, it will be a good result for him, but not for Jumbo. So they should either fully support him or not do it at all and only target stage wins. If they are doing the former or the latter remains to be seen, though only having Teunissen with him now and the riding of Van Aert, Kuss and Kruijswijk on other stages point a bit to the latter.

I sure hope Jumbo can tell the difference between what would be a good result with a rider like Roglic, and what would be a good result with a rider like Vingegaard.

 

[BlueRoads]

Yes, it will be a good result for him, but not for Jumbo. So they should either fully support him or not do it at all and only target stage wins. If they are doing the former or the latter remains to be seen, though only having Teunissen with him now and the riding of Van Aert, Kuss and Kruijswijk on other stages point a bit to the latter.

But to not support him at all, how crazy would that be?
Ah, nah, Pogacar is too strong, we won't win this anyway. What's a second place in the Tour worth, we already had that last year... We're not even going to try, maybe Jonas will be flushed up there, but if not, well...

To give Wout the freedom today is one thing, I suppose the stage is not so hard that neither Kruijswijk nor Kuss can survive... but I would leave at least one of them with Vingegaard - unless they have a master plan I don't get so far.

 

[houtdffan]

lead group may be getting so far ahead, that they won't be able to help their team leaders if there is an attack

 

[JosefK]

lead group may be getting so far ahead, that they won't be able to help their team leaders if there is an attack

UAE playing it perfectly in support of Tadej.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I sure hope Jumbo can tell the difference between what would be a good result with a rider like Roglic, and what would be a good result with a rider like Vingegaard.

Sure, but they are not riding for a top 10 finish in a race they came to win, when they have other opportunities to get good results.

But to not support him at all, how crazy would that be?
Ah, nah, Pogacar is too strong, we won't win this anyway. What's a second place in the Tour worth, we already had that last year... We're not even going to try, maybe Jonas will be flushed up there, but if not, well...

To give Wout the freedom today is one thing, I suppose the stage is not so hard that neither Kruijswijk nor Kuss can survive... but I would leave at least one of them with Vingegaard - unless they have a master plan I don't get so far.

They may have reason to believe Vingegaard will be in trouble at some point, maybe even today, and if he drops off the podium, I doubt his placing will matter much to them. Of course we'll have to wait and see what happens later in the stage. Maybe they just want to give Van Aert a chance to save some energy, before Kuss and Kruijswijk drop back.

 

[Earns1985]

I will be disappointed if JV and Vingegaard dont try something given the heat and terrain
A little try everyday before next Saturday would do me

But also expect Ineos to try today

Will we see already some GC action on the Port d'Envalira or just a bit action on the Beixalis?

The thing is that the first climbs are not that steep and before an attack one should at least reduce the main peleton a bit. Jumbo doesn´t have the guys for that in the peleton, but Ineos still has..

 

[Salvarani]

Only Teunissen is around Vingegaard. All the others in the break. Playing a risky game there if something were to happen.

 

[yaco]

It could also mean exactly the opposite from what you wrote. Perhaps they plan a long range attack with Vingegaard. Three Relais stations are up the road...

Their support may be limited if the break is 15 or 20 minutes up the road.

 

[Bolder]

Sure, but they are not riding for a top 10 finish in a race they came to win, when they have other opportunities to get good results.



They may have reason to believe Vingegaard will be in trouble at some point, maybe even today, and if he drops off the podium, I doubt his placing will matter much to them. Of course we'll have to wait and see what happens later in the stage. Maybe they just want to give Van Aert a chance to save some energy, before Kuss and Kruijswijk drop back.

This feels like a bit of a cop out to me. Pogacar aside, a second place from Roglic or one from Vingegaard is still a good result and a reason to ride for Jonas today. But either way it should play out in an interesting way...

 

[dercuforever]

Their support may be limited if the break is 15 or 20 minutes up the road.

not sure it will go to that much time since it is 1v2 for the moment.

 

[Izzyeviel]

Bouhani is really desperate to finish this race isn't he? He's about 15 minutes behind the peloton.

 

[RedheadDane]

Sitting alone, with the Broom Wagon hot on your heels, that must be every riders worst nightmare.
And unlike certain other cycling-nightmares I have heard about today, something that actually happens frequently.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

This feels like a bit of a cop out to me. Pogacar aside, a second place from Roglic or one from Vingegaard is still a good result and a reason to ride for Jonas today. But either way it should play out in an interesting way...

Well if I was in control of Jumbo, I would definitely only have one or two riders in the break and the rest with Vingegaard, if I wanted to ride for the podium or the slim chance of actually winning the race. As it stand now, INEOS will have up the pace at some point if they want to make use of Castroviejo and Van Baarle, which will also help Jumbo, unless Vingegaard has a bad day or gets a mechanical or another kind of mishap.

 

[Finn84]

For Bouhanni it will be extremely difficult to make the time cut.

 

[macbindle]

He's packed

 

[Red Rick]

It's getting so silly how some KOMs are right in the middle of a climb.

 

[Salvarani]

Bouhanni abandon.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Arkéa will be saving massively on hotel bills this year. Three riders can sleep in one room.

 

[DoYouEvenRideBruh]

Arkéa will be saving massively on hotel bills this year. Three riders can sleep in one room.

Also easier for police raids

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Also easier for police raids

They might book a lot of rooms for that reason to make it harder for the police to find them this time.