Tour de France Tour de France 2022: Stage 16 (Carcassonne – Foix, 178.5k)

[SarahtheDane]

There was much less at stake last year. Vingegaard wouldn't have made up over five minutes to Pogacar, even with ten Van Aerts at his disposal, and that would have been against the rules anyway.

Good point. I guess I'm just worried we will see a scenario where he doesn't wait. I hope he's 100 % for Jonas today. Even if that means he will miss another stagewin.

 

[spalco]

It's funny how good tactics are being painted as stupid tactics.

If they need Van Aert and Van Hooydonck to work, they can always call them back from the break. They don't tire any faster while riding in such a numerous break.

But having them in the break gives them more flexibility. Maybe they.ll be there to work later in the stage if something happens on the climbs.

Vlasov first needs to gain at least 11 minutes today (a big ask) and then ride the remaining stages as well as Vingegaard- which is impossible unless his form has improved during the rest day. I don't think they need to worry to much about him just yet.

The problem is when something unexpected happens and Vingegaard falls behind the peloton and needs to make up 30 seconds or a minute. Will Van Aert literally ride back (is that even legal?) and help him?

 

[roundabout]

I think if anyone flinches first it might be Wanty or some team like that

 

[Ilmaestro99]

It's funny how good tactics are being painted as stupid tactics.

If they need Van Aert and Van Hooydonck to work, they can always call them back from the break. They don't tire any faster while riding in such a numerous break.

But having them in the break gives them more flexibility. Maybe they.ll be there to work later in the stage if something happens on the climbs.

Vlasov first needs to gain at least 11 minutes today (a big ask) and then ride the remaining stages as well as Vingegaard- which is impossible unless his form has improved during the rest day. I don't think they need to worry to much about him just yet.

Lol good tactics. Maybe they are not that bad, but is a small maybe.


They are leaving their 60kg yellow jersey, who is prone to panic and crashes, with not enough protection on a stage where he is vulnerable. If he punctures in a crucial moment when there are splits or echelons, his race is over because he has 1 good rider (laporte) to work for him

 

[Peyroteo94]

Jumbo was perfect. Now I can see WVA waiting for vingegaard after the last climb. So even if Pogacar drops Jonas and gain like 30 seconds, WVA will catch Pogacar later. The other jumbo can pass the first climb and help Jonas there. Perfect tactics from jumbo and UAE is just clueless, what a terrible team...

 

[roundabout]

As strong as Laporte might be, one rider will not keep 26 riders in check for 100km. They are going to need assistance from other teams or drop Van Hooydonck back. Maybe they are hoping to rely on Ineos to do the work for them.

I think the gap between Vlasov and Vingegaard at the start of Lers will be under 10 minutes without anyone helping Jumbo

But let's see what happens

 

[Boes]

How come that Lutsenko, who is often a very offensive rider, is never ever involved in these breakaways during this and last year's Tour.

I took him for my tour manager. BIG DISSAPOINTEMENT

 

[ontheroad]

Speaking of poor tactics, you'd have to question the stupidity of Matthews and Simmons riding out in no mans land.

 

[Filippo_3467]

the break is working horribly, don't hink that will work out for Vlasov or anyone else.

 

[Boes]

Jumbo visma is seriously the most stupid team in the sport. And yet they are favourite for this tour, because their main rival has terrible team and Ineos Gerant Thomas probably isn't strong enough. (Very strong team thought)

But jumbo don't deserve to win this. So stupid.

You are defending the yellow jersey and you sent 2 of your best gregario in the break with a gc rival.

Meanwhile 2 riders have already abandoned and another is injured.

The gc leader is bad at bikehandling and positioning.

The stage potentially will have crosswinds before the climbs. And you leave him with Kuss and Laporte in the bunch.

How is this team so stupid? Is Belgian pozzato the driving force behind this incompetence?

Seems clear that WVA isn't serving Vingegaard today. In the restday he said he's ready to work for Vingegaard if he gets some chances in between. Imo he gets 3 chances:

• today
• TT
• Paris

Those last 2 don't matter to the GC ambitions and they must think today Vingegaard will be able to survive with the other teammates.

 

[stefank]

Speaking of poor tactics, you'd have to question the stupidity of Matthews and Simmons riding out in no mans land.

It looks like they've realised that and are slowly drifting back.

 

[Anderis]

They are leaving their 60kg yellow jersey, who is prone to panic and crashes, with not enough protection on a stage where he is vulnerable. If he punctures in a crucial moment when there are splits or echelons, his race is over because he has 1 good rider (laporte) to work for him

There's not much Jumbo can do with such few riders, if there are echelons, the riders from the break can always drop back and it's actually benefitial because that ensures they will be with Vingegaard and not behind him if something goes wrong.

 

[ontheroad]

I think the gap between Vlasov and Vingegaard at the start of Lers will be under 10 minutes without anyone helping Jumbo

But let's see what happens

Laporte has almost ridden a 25km time trial so far, he can't sustain that by himself.

 

[RedheadDane]

Simmons and Matthews caught by the peloton.

 

[Salvarani]

Horrible tactics.

 

[roundabout]

Laporte has almost ridden a 25km time trial so far, he can't sustain that by himself.

it's hardly a committed TTT that he is riding against

Heck, with 2 of the 3 breakaways dropping back on their own it doesn't seem that a small break before Lers is considered a viable strategy so it will be a waiting game up to Lers in the break imo

 

[spalco]

it's hardly a committed TTT that he is riding against

Heck, with 2 of the 3 breakaways dropping back on their own it doesn't seem that a small break before Lers is considered a viable strategy so it will be a waiting game up to Lers in the break imo

The break is still going (slightly) faster than the peloton though.

 

[Stelvio]

Will Van Aert literally ride back (is that even legal?) and help him?

It’s not legal. But he can stop a la Lautaret (though that of course was a non-winnable stage for him).

 

[roundabout]

The break is still going (slightly) faster than the peloton though.

I don't think the rate in which the gap is going out is a cause of concern.

At least not yet.

 

[Filippo_3467]

the real tell is that the rider in front is going as fast as the peleton and the group, so basically no one is really racing atm super hard.

 

[One Eyed Aussie]

Is it true that many of the riders are staying in hotels that lack airconditioning (as the commentators here just said)?
It seems inconceivable in this day and age.

 

[SarahtheDane]

Is it true that many of the riders are staying in hotels that lack airconditioning (as the commentators here just said)?
It seems inconceivable in this day and age.

Aircons are not super common in Europe.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Laporte has almost ridden a 25km time trial so far, he can't sustain that by himself.

Also the time limit could be an issue potentially?

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

Vlasov is going for „coup double“, as the French say, here. He wants to be in Yellow this evening, and win the stage. I hope Großschartner is in good form today, Vlasov will need him…

 

[spalco]

Is it true that many of the riders are staying in hotels that lack airconditioning (as the commentators here just said)?
It seems inconceivable in this day and age.

Europe isn't Australia, I've stayed in many places without AC, and also, accomodation is always a problem in the Tour - in France, in july, in sometimes fairly small towns.

If you're DS and you have a choice between a hotel right outside the starting town without AC and another one 80kms away with AC, what do you choose?