Tour de France Tour de France 2022: Stage 8 (Dole – Lausanne, 186.3k)

[Andre]

I probably missed something, but what is wrong with Almeida?

 

[RedheadDane]

I probably missed something, but what is wrong with Almeida?

Well, he got Covid during the Giro, but I don't think he was ever scheduled to ride the Tour either way.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

So if we all send messages like: Roglic. Bettiol. Erviti. Bjerg... this doesn't add anything interesting to the reader, at least this doesn't add anything interesting to me.
You could send messages that add something interesting to this cycling forum, something worth reading. You can write Roglic, but with an argument that justifies why it is worth reading.

Then state they aren’t serious. Just upsetting really.

I get what people are so annoyed by with my posts. When you look at this forum on your phone, your PC or whatever you use, you hope to see quality posts that express sensible opinions and make good arguments or the occasional well-engineered joke

Not some goof trolling the hell out of your favourite riders in a neverending series of stupid posts that sound like ‚hehe Roglič‘.

The most well-liked people on here have found a balance between humor and serious stuff.

Meanwhile my posts have so far been quite repetitive.

I‘m usually a rather clownish person but I don‘t want to upset or annoy people.


My take on this stage is that it‘s likely for a breakaway. The last three stages have been raced so rapidly that most of the bunch will need a rest before hitting the Alps the next day.

If Jumbo lets him Van Aert will be a really good candidate. Pogačar could probably fight for the win if he had seven Van Aerts to control the race but he hasn‘t so they‘ll have to let the break go.

Roglič seems to be on form besides the crash which just makes it more tragic that he‘s injured.

Philippe Gilbert will win with a late attack before the climb from a large breakaway.

 

[Jan the Man]

Looks a good stage for the breakaway after the intense racing of the last 3 days. Could be an interesting race if raced aggressively - lots of up and down in the final 2/3 of the race

 

[MrTea1976]

Aussie to win from the break?

 

[ppanther92]

I also say breakaway on this. UAE might not want to lose yellow but I am not sure (a) if its wise to burn too much energy already for defending and (b) if they even can vs. a strong break. Struggled already a lot today.

 

[Tonton]

The Romans studied the terrain, made roads to move armies and goods. They were smart too, so they used the easiest path from point A to point B. Thank you innovators at ASO, you discovered a route that has been known for 2,000 years. Les Rousses? I climbed it at age 13 on a three-speed road-bike. This is not a Jura stage. It's lame, it's disgusting, it's insulting.

OK, the rant is over. I just got one of Froome's inhalers, I feel much better.

As long as no one in the break is a threat to get in the top-5, it will be a snore-fest unless the sprinters' teams want it a go. And Pog will beat the crap out of them, Remco will go to bed relieved, there will be no question as who is the New Merckx.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPyPT7fb0-Q&ab_channel=RobertPlant

 

[RobertCrawley]

A large break of 13 riders will get away tomorrow, including Dylan Tuens, Toms Skujins, Stefan Kung and Wout Van Aert! Yes, that Wout van Aert, because in this Tour if Wout Van Aert desires something, Wout Van Aert takes it.

The break will cross the line and Wout Van Aert will win. Take it to the bank.

 

[solo80k]

Breakaway to get the chance here. And maybe a new temporary GC leader ?

 

[movingtarget]

Good stage for the break. Rest day for Pogacar.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Pogi should collect bonus seconds before he faces a real climber like Vigne in high mountains.

 

[Rackham]

Pogi should collect bonus seconds before he faces a real climber like Vigne in high mountains.

Yeah, Pog is such a noob in the high mountains.

He had a complete collapse on the Col de la Loze in 2020 for example where he did an Ullrich 1998 Les Deux Alpes... & lost 15 seconds.

Seriously, the narratives put forward by various fandom factions in this TdF are wild. I mean I'd never heard of the "Vingegaard is better than Pogacar on longer climbs" stuff until the Dauphiné a few weeks ago, now Jonas himself is repeating the same mantra about having preferred climbs versus less preferred climbs.

I mean what's Luz Ardiden? A punchy col? Pog smoked that one last year when he didn't even need a time gap anymore.

 

[gregrowlerson]

I doubt that WVA will go rogue anymore like on stage 6. How that effects how Jumbo race lumpy stages like this I'm not sure, but I'd be leaning towards a relatively strong break taking this by five minutes.

 

[quadrago]

Yeah, Pog is such a noob in the high mountains.

He had a complete collapse on the Col de la Loze in 2020 for example where he did an Ullrich 1998 Les Deux Alpes... & lost 15 seconds.

Seriously, the narratives put forward by various fandom factions in this TdF are wild. I mean I'd never heard of the "Vingegaard is better than Pogacar on longer climbs" stuff until the Dauphiné a few weeks ago, now Jonas himself is repeating the same mantra about having preferred climbs versus less preferred climbs.

I mean what's Luz Ardiden? A punchy col? Pog smoked that one last year when he didn't even need a time gap anymore.

Repeating it now? Even when struggling as an danish amateur he very much prefered something long, high and warm. I'd say his punch has improved greatly and he looked better yesterday than I ever imagined in a sprint finish.

Not that I believe Vingegaard to be better than Pog in any terrain, but Vingegaard has not ridden nearly as long and are very much still in the developing years. I expect he is still able to show improvements. The favourites in this tour both turned pro in 2019! If they both struggled with keeping up, it would be acceptable and expected. I don't believe we have seen the completed development from either rider.

I digress, I guess

 

[Valv.Piti]

No problems with this stage considering the pacing and the stages to come. We cant have all hard mountain stage sfrom stage 7-12 in the Vosges, Juras and Alps. Its a lot better than a flat stage, and we will see some good racing the first hour and the last hour.

A stage I feel 50% of the riders think they can win. which is always good for racing

 

[Cookster15]

A break or maybe a chance for Michael Matthews to finally emerge from his 2nd place syndrome?

 

[gregrowlerson]

No problems with this stage considering the pacing and the stages to come. We cant have all hard mountain stage sfrom stage 7-12 in the Vosges, Juras and Alps. Its a lot better than a flat stage, and we will see some good racing the first hour and the last hour.

A stage I feel 50% of the riders think they can win. which is always good for racing

And horrible for betting

 

[Valv.Piti]

And horrible for betting

Oh yeah, that is downright impossible to hit. I think Mathieu should be worth a shot at 19 considering hes looking better.

 

[RedheadDane]

Repeating it now? Even when struggling as an danish amateur he very much prefered something long, high and warm. I'd say his punch has improved greatly and he looked better yesterday than I ever imagined in a sprint finish.

Aah, yes. The three things northern Jutland is known for.

 

[tobydawq]

Covid with its first victim. Geoffrey Bouchard out because of a positive test.

He wasn't in the top 100 yesterday, so he must have been feeling bad, otherwise he would be allowed to stay in the race.

 

[Rackham]

Repeating it now? Even when struggling as an danish amateur he very much prefered something long, high and warm. I'd say his punch has improved greatly and he looked better yesterday than I ever imagined in a sprint finish.

Not that I believe Vingegaard to be better than Pog in any terrain, but Vingegaard has not ridden nearly as long and are very much still in the developing years. I expect he is still able to show improvements. The favourites in this tour both turned pro in 2019! If they both struggled with keeping up, it would be acceptable and expected. I don't believe we have seen the completed development from either rider.

I digress, I guess

I first watched Jonas Vingegaard in the 2020 Vuelta. He did work on the flat (filtering breakaways) & his most notable contribution was pacing the early section of the Angliru. Then, he won a climb in the 2021 UAE Tour (first world tour victory I believe) & his breakthrough race was Itzulia in April 2021 where he did really well on its short, super punchy climbs.

So I'm just saying he's proven he's good on shorter climbs (& longer climbs as well) but I don't believe there's a real reason to say "longer climbs suit Jonas V much better". Although I totally get the public relations reasons 'why', i.e. to put pressure on UAE before the harder stages in this TdF. It's a common communication tactic from rivals in GT's, aka saying "watch out, I'm going to get you!".

But I doubt there's anything deeper there (certainly not anything scientific which says Vingegaard is better than Pogacar on longer climbs).

 

[Velolover2]

The best stage for Cort in the Tour but how tried is he?

 

[RedheadDane]

The best stage for Cort in the Tour but how tried is he?

Very tried!
But I suspect he'll at least try again today.

 

[Lequack]

Geoffrey Bouchard is the 5th dropout of this Tour de France after his positive corona test