Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 14: Annemasse - Morzine, 151.8k

[Libertine Seguros]

INEOS making a mistake by losing Rodriquez ...best GC hope they have ???

I don't think they had a choice. It was rumoured that this was a done deal before the end of last year's Vuelta.

Not that I'll cry for them, it's no different to what they did to Movistar with Carapaz.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Great performance by Adam Yates. Last Dom standing. Many wrote him off. Won't get into what this means compared to TJV strength left behind. Will see what happens tomorrow. 3d chess by TJV for now.

Absolutely. Most (including me) thought Sepptimus was the strongest hill domestique. A Yates was much better today.

 

[jaylew]

Pogacar never lost a sprint to Vingegaard. Fact.

He just lost one. Fact.

 

[Elos Anjos]

But Pogi could have let him go. 4>2.

Vingegaard would follow.

 

[Eclipse]

But Pogi could have let him go. 4>2.

Pogi can let Yates go but that doesn't mean JV will.

If JV is on Yates wheel and sprints then he's probably beating Yates given the latter was clearly dead anyway, and Pogi has to come around him and risk getting it wrong rather than just launching when he wants.

 

[Volderke]

Vingegaard will be pleased Pogacar couldn't get away on a longer, steeper climb.
But he is still vulnerable, and Pogacar would be best off by attacking in every stage uphil in the last 1.5 K and try to get 10-15 seconds.

The question is: who will be best in the TT?

 

[dgodave]

Motos / crowd was a mess.

But the consequential thing was Ving catching back on to Pog after his attack.

 

[tobydawq]

Does it feel like a missed opportunity for Vingegaard to not attack the descent? He was very comfortable on the wheel and he did take time there earlier in the race. Wondering if he could have bridged to Rodriguez.

Yes, but I think he won't risk too much.

 

[Volderke]

Gall 9th. The hard work by AG2R pays off.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

it was exactly the same effort for Vine

Hay Vine would have crashed when Pogačar dropped the bottle on Joux Plane. And would have been from looking at it, not from actually hitting the bottle.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Do you believe that Pogacar would loose the sprint if not for the motos/public?

No idea. But Jonas pipped him at the line with Pog in front.

 

[HelloDolly]

Rodriquez and Ayuso ...remember when everyone said there was no hope for the future of Spanish cycling

 

[Boehmand]

Vingegaard will be pleased Pogacar couldn't get away on a longer, steeper climb.
But he is still vulnerable, and Pogacar would be best off by attacking in every stage uphil in the last 1.5 K and try to get 10-15 seconds.

The question is: who will be best in the TT?

Imagine if the Tour is won, because one of them has a technical on the TT

 

[Blanco]

Pretty dumb from Pogacar at the end, instead of 7 sec gain, he lost 1, and how things stands, seconds could decide this Tour.

 

[topt]

Or perhaps Yates can't sprint.

he doesnt even have to, Pog just lets his wheel go

 

[tobydawq]

Pogi can let Yates go but that doesn't mean JV will.

If JV is on Yates wheel and sprints then he's probably beating Yates given the latter was clearly dead anyway, and Pogi has to come around him and risk getting it wrong rather than just launching when he wants.

Pog is never losing a sprint to Vingegaard.

 

[titan31]

Vingegaard will be pleased Pogacar couldn't get away on a longer, steeper climb.
But he is still vulnerable, and Pogacar would be best off by attacking in every stage uphil in the last 1.5 K and try to get 10-15 seconds.

The question is: who will be best in the TT?

Going to come down to Loze really now. Not sure gap in TT will be enough

 

[bob.a.feet]

If it wasn't for the motos, Pogacar and Vingegaard would have had a bigger gap on Rodriguez going in to the descent. Once Pogacar's attack was halted they went back to track stands and allowed Rodriguez and Yates to catch up.
It seems, then, that the motos cost Pogacar a bonus sprint and a stage win.

 

[Didinho]

Imagine if it was Remco. He would’ve Zidane’d these motorbikes.

 

[Izzyeviel]

Gaudu 6 minutes down
Pidcock 8.40

 

[bill1109]

Absolutely. Most (including me) thought Sepptimus was the strongest hill domestique. A Yates was much better today.

Great job by Yates. Pogs interview before stage was to survive. And he did. So glad to be able to see this battle. Pray for no stupid crashes. Glasses off of Pog adds something. Shows his face and concentration and pain. Great. Race.

 

[EddyMazzoleni]

The two at the top are really close in the ability to sustain watts, Pogi can open a gap with his acceleration, but he cannot really open it. Vinge had to really work to close the 3-4 seconds and i think he felt like he could not counter. If he could he would have opened up a sizable gap with the descent and that would be a pretty big waste of an opportunity.

Rodriguez really shine for his endurance and downhill ability, it's really amazing for a guy so young to be able to win one of the hardest paced stage i can remember.

 

[theyoungest]

Does it feel like a missed opportunity for Vingegaard to not attack the descent? He was very comfortable on the wheel and he did take time there earlier in the race. Wondering if he could have bridged to Rodriguez.

Maybe he could have, but I think it's a risk-reward consideration. Clearly he's a better descender than Pogacar though, you saw him sometimes having to correct Pogi's awkward lines. This was also obvious in last year's Tour.

If he's getting a bit more desperate and he really can't drop Pogi uphill he's probably going to try. He did try for a bit on the Tourmalet stage, for example.

 

[wirral]

Why is that dog not wearing a mask?

 

[ppanther92]

Gall would be 6th if not for the intentional 5 minutes lost on stage 2 with goal of KOM in his mind. Doesn’t matter now anyway though.