Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 14: Annemasse - Morzine, 151.8k

[topt]

If you are proposing they only ride for the win, when they have a definite advantage, you are insane

I am no expert like you obviously but if a team controls the stage and kills breakaway its like in 99,9% cause they want to win the stage

 

[Danskebjerge]

Don't try to move the goalposts. Nobody's saying it was intentional. Just like nobody who actually watched the stage should be calling it "alleged" unless they don't know what that word means.

But they weren't blocking the road, it was Pogacar who unexpectedly accelerated, and especially on a climb full of people you can't just expect the motorbikes to not be a part of the race. They can't just speed up as much as they want to at any given moment, to name an example.

But this is, of course, the usual phenomenon of cycling fans blaming any incident on other people instead of just acknowledging that things happen during a race, sometimes coincidentally.

 

[fbjim]

I would like everyone to know in advance that if Pogacar loses I have already decided to be obnoxious about it and yell that he would have broken Vingegaard for 5 minutes to Morzine if not for the moto

 

[topt]

Ok, first post. Have been following cycling for nearly fifty years. The chaos factor that the crowd brings on big mountain stages is part of TDF history, it can’t be practically removed and neither should it be. The race would lose a huge amount of sporting drama if they banned crowds or limited numbers. This means that sometimes *** happens, some arsehole wraps his flag around a wheel or motorbikes have to break suddenly with potentially calamitous results. Look at what happened to Porte and Froome a few years ago, they crashed into the motorbike and Froome had to end up running up the hill. Not great but has gone down as a seminal moment in Tour history. Would some of those folks now calling foul for Pogacar today have been laughing at Froome all those years ago? It’s never nice but as I say, it happens and riders have to be on their mettle. When Pogacar launched his attack and had to pull up, maybe he should have looked up ahead at the motorbikes breaking and bided his time. Who knows, maybe the fact that he attacked but didn’t make it stick and then got caught out indicates a tiredness and vulnerability that Jumbo Visma are hoping to exploit.

you do know when Froome was running that part of the stage was canceled like monutain top sprint today should be and I believe it will.

 

[Boehmand]

I am no expert like you obviously but if a team controls the stage and kills breakaway its like in 99,9% cause they want to win the stage

I'm not claiming to be an expert, just an avid fan, like most of us in here (you included).

Of course they wanted to win the stage, but as I referenced Mike Tyson yesterday, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth

All you can do it try, and then let the chips fall where they may.

 

[topt]

But they weren't blocking the road, it was Pogacar who unexpectedly accelerated, and especially on a climb full of people you can't just expect the motorbikes to not be a part of the race. They can't just speed up as much as they want to at any given moment, to name an example.

But this is, of course, the usual phenomenon of cycling fans blaming any incident on other people instead of just acknowledging that things happen during a race, sometimes coincidentally.

unexpectedly accelerated ? is this a joke

 

[SHAD0W93]

Of course I saw it. Read the post I made about it above. Pog was still in the same position he'd have been in without the motos, on the front and the favorite to win the sprint. What happened with the motos shouldn't have prevented him from gaining those seconds but he wasn't paying attention and got caught with his pants down and lost a sprint he still should have won.

Pog would have been still sprinting for the line like he did the day previously and has done previously if he wasn’t caught. He probably then had a brain fart and thought they wouldn’t contest the sprint or organizers would remove the bonus seconds.

 

[tobydawq]

It's a question of degrees

On another note, congrats on getting a boyfriend, which I assume is the reason you have been largely absent from the forum during the stages

Rich content from a guy who couldn't take it when some of us dared to say that we found Cecilie Uttrup attractive...

 

[Boehmand]

But they weren't blocking the road, it was Pogacar who unexpectedly accelerated, and especially on a climb full of people you can't just expect the motorbikes to not be a part of the race. They can't just speed up as much as they want to at any given moment, to name an example.

But this is, of course, the usual phenomenon of cycling fans blaming any incident on other people instead of just acknowledging that things happen during a race, sometimes coincidentally.

Yes they were blocking the road, because they were blocked by spectators.

Everyone who watched the stage saw Pogacar punch it, and then almost instantly have to slow back down, because of the motos.

Whether it was consequential is another story, I don't think it was, but the motos holding him up is without question.

 

[RedheadDane]

It's a question of degrees

On another note, congrats on getting a boyfriend, which I assume is the reason you have been largely absent from the forum during the stages

I'm in summer house with my family, and only has coverage for watching parts of the stages.

And of course it's a matter of degrees. The difference between uncomfortably hot, and basically hell.

 

[Boehmand]

Rich content from a guy who couldn't take it when some of us dared to say that we found Cecilie Uttrup attractive...

I don't think I have ever posted about her?

Also I don't really understand why a tongue in cheek remark would cause offence?

 

[SHAD0W93]

Ok, first post. Have been following cycling for nearly fifty years. The chaos factor that the crowd brings on big mountain stages is part of TDF history, it can’t be practically removed and neither should it be. The race would lose a huge amount of sporting drama if they banned crowds or limited numbers. This means that sometimes *** happens, some arsehole wraps his flag around a wheel or motorbikes have to break suddenly with potentially calamitous results. Look at what happened to Porte and Froome a few years ago, they crashed into the motorbike and Froome had to end up running up the hill. Not great but has gone down as a seminal moment in Tour history. Would some of those folks now calling foul for Pogacar today have been laughing at Froome all those years ago? It’s never nice but as I say, it happens and riders have to be on their mettle. When Pogacar launched his attack and had to pull up, maybe he should have looked up ahead at the motorbikes breaking and bided his time. Who knows, maybe the fact that he attacked but didn’t make it stick and then got caught out indicates a tiredness and vulnerability that Jumbo Visma are hoping to exploit.

Froome was being laughed at for running up the mountain, not because of the crash. Almost everyone didn’t like the crash happened, some were happy he lost time to *** into his mystic, and the gaps to Froome were neutralized. Which then made some fans upset he was given the same time as Mollema.


Which in a way is crazy since in other sports the refs are part of the field and if they interfere it’s tough noodles, which would make today moot with the motorbikes.

 

[fbjim]

Wish there were more stages where cretin fans were not allowed. Old days had more respectful people. Nowadays the selfie seekers make things too risky. Cycling needs to adapt to the times. Deny the fans in areas crucial to the race.

1904

A bunch of fanatics wielded sticks and shouted insults, setting on the other riders: Maurice and César Garin got a succession of blows, the older brother [Maurice] was hit in the face with a stone. Soon there was general mayhem: “Up with Faure! Down with Garin! Kill them!” they were shouting. Finally cars arrived and the riders could get going thanks to pistol shots. The aggressors disappeared into the night

 

[tobydawq]

I don't think I have ever posted about her?

Also I don't really understand why a tongue in cheek remark would cause offence?

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You also came with inappropriate comments about RhD during your previous stay here, and now continue to do so.

 

[SHAD0W93]

But they weren't blocking the road, it was Pogacar who unexpectedly accelerated, and especially on a climb full of people you can't just expect the motorbikes to not be a part of the race. They can't just speed up as much as they want to at any given moment, to name an example.

But this is, of course, the usual phenomenon of cycling fans blaming any incident on other people instead of just acknowledging that things happen during a race, sometimes coincidentally.

Pog is part of the race. He, Vinge, and whoever can attack whenever they want.

 

[fbjim]

Like this is a race where one of its iconic moments is someone punching Eddy Merckx in the kidney lol, I think this is not "people just don't show respect anymore"

 

[Boehmand]

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You also came with inappropriate comments about RhD during your previous stay here, and now continue to do so.

You appear to be confusing me with someone else.

I don't really care about women's cycling, and find Uttrup slightly annoying, albeit entertaining in interviews occasionally.

I don't really understand why my comment to the redhead was inappropriate, it was just a roundabout and joking way of saying her posts are missed, because I find her funny?

 

[awavey]

Apparently the race jury are meeting about it, presumably the only course of corrective action they could take, and im not expressing my opinion on it either way as I've not seen today's stage at all, is nullify the bonus seconds

 

[fbjim]

Anyway some lousy motos wouldn't have stopped Big Claudio Chiappucci but he's built different

https://twitter.com/x/status/1549059655833473029

View: https://twitter.com/Miroir2Cyclisme/status/1549059655833473029?t=IluEVoCtiPzt_h-TJO1zPQ&s=19

 

[jaylew]

The whole "Motogate" thing is over the top.

When you watch the replay, Vingegaard was instantly on his wheel.

It is far from given it would have made the slightest difference, if the motos were not there.

Agreed, he didn't even attack hard though I do think it's likely Pog would have won the sprint and gained the 3 bonus seconds over JV. Still it shouldn't have affected anything that happened afterwards.

In any case, these guys are obviously evenly matched and giving us a good show. While it would be great drama if came down to bonus seconds, I do hope one of them eventually drops the other and the race is clearly decided that way.

I'm actually starting to wonder if the TT is going to decide this though I don't expect there to be much of a time difference there either.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Pogacar was robbed of 5 seconds. Hope that in the end he doesn't loose because of that.

Your sour grapes are sour

 

[EddyMazzoleni]

But they weren't blocking the road, it was Pogacar who unexpectedly accelerated, and especially on a climb full of people you can't just expect the motorbikes to not be a part of the race. They can't just speed up as much as they want to at any given moment, to name an example.

But this is, of course, the usual phenomenon of cycling fans blaming any incident on other people instead of just acknowledging that things happen during a race, sometimes coincidentally.

Of course, everyone knows that you have to tell every person in a radius of 500 meters before you attack. Stupid of Pogacar to forget such a basic concept

 

[tobydawq]

You appear to be confusing me with someone else.

I'm not. You're not fooling anyone. Especially your "You care waaaay too much buddy" comment from a few days ago when you were being caught out on a mistake, and your Moerkoev spelling (afraid of the letter ø) was a copy paste of some of your previous work.

 

[Boehmand]

I'm not. You're not fooling anyone. Especially your "You care waaaay too much buddy" comment from a few days ago when you were being caught out on a mistake was a copy paste of some of your previous work.

Man, we truly live in the age of conspiracy theorists

 

[SHAD0W93]

Your sour grapes are sour

I’ve heard sour raisins are pretty good.