Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 15: Les Gets - Saint-Gervais Mont Blanc, 179.0k

[D. Pecher]

Well since you have watched far less than me, your opinions are irrelevant.

Bye

Now that. my friend, is a properly derogatory comment. Seriously, saying someone's opinion is irrelevant due to not matching a condition arbitrarily chosen by yourself is just ridiculous. That's the rhetoric of the MAGA crowd. Seriously, if you're as experienced in life as you claim to be, that's just pathetic.

Bye

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

I really, really hate this line that people constantly post on here, "if you are not entertained, why watch cycling". yeah the stage was more entertaining than watching golf or tennis but it could've been so much better if there was a better route. people do not complain just to complain, they complain because they are passionate about the sport and can see how this weekend (especially today) could've easily have been so much better. we have the two most evenly matched GC riders the Tour has possibly ever seen and they hand them todays absolute soulless route with nowhere to attack aside from the last 1.5km and squander the whole thing. now there's 1 real mountain stage left in the whole race with a full week to go and all we got on the penultimate Sunday was 5 minutes of GC action. i guess if you're just looking to be "entertained" for half an hour, this did the trick, but we saw how great a race these two guys can have when you give them the parcours (like Stage 6 this year and many stages last year), it just feels awful to see them handicapped by the bad route.

as far as the TV coverage goes, seeing Poels a little bit more would've been good, but my major gripe was that they spent WAY too much time showing the *** helicopter view of the GC group when it conveyed nothing more than the motorbike shot would've.

I agree though I have a different POV - and it's not exactly that I'm impassionate
I respect other POV's, just sticking my fingers in the hot pot once in a while to learn from other POV's.
Once in a while the debate here takes some harsh turns becoming personal, which I do not support at all.
But again, it's probably down to users here all sharing a great passion - just each in our own way.

*edit*
It was a very difficult situation for the producers, but at least I'll give you that a split screen or picture-in-picture on closing k's was severely missed - of which is used frequently in other sports and in this sport often used in ITT's - as we'll most probably witness again on upcoming tuesday.

Peace out.

 

[Didinho]

Wout 1st: Wout happy.
Wout 2nd: Wout happy.

No, I just had a TT question for Tuesday.
Can Pogi wear his own Slovenian jersey, as like riders can skip the white jersey in other stages?
If so, it was al tactical racing from Pogi 😁

 

[Boehmand]

Anyone else had a laugh about Pogacar spinning extra hard in the final 20m to pass the finish first with nothing on the line?

It's actually one of the things I love about the guy - he's a true competitor.

He sees a finish line, he sprints, he just can't help himself

 

[dazaau]

So given today if a rest day, and the day after of a TT, which is also a rest day for GC domestiques, why didn't we see uae try control and bring the break within striking distance so pog could get the bonus seconds.

 

[Boehmand]

Now that. my friend, is a properly derogatory comment. Seriously, saying someone's opinion is irrelevant due to not matching a condition arbitrarily chosen by yourself is just ridiculous. That's the rhetoric of the MAGA crowd. Seriously, if you're as experienced in life as you claim to be, that's just pathetic.

Bye

You do realise I am using a slightly altered version of your own comment against you, right?

 

[Boehmand]

So given today if a rest day, and the day after of a TT, which is also a rest day for GC domestiques, why didn't we see uae try control and bring the break within striking distance so pog could get the bonus seconds.

Because they are all tired and have to economise with whatever strength they have left.

 

[RobertCrawley]

So given today if a rest day, and the day after of a TT, which is also a rest day for GC domestiques, why didn't we see uae try control and bring the break within striking distance so pog could get the bonus seconds.

I could use a rest day also.

 

[hayneplane]

There was nothing to see in the breakaway. Poels was way up the road and it was obvious to everyone that he massacred the break, so no reason to look at a lone rider just riding away instead of watching the ACTUAL bike race in the group. That's what most people are interested in anyway. I can't believe people are getting upset at that either.

Today was the perfect coverage in my opinion. We got too see all the action we needed from the break and the camera quickly shot a few seconds of each of the riders passing the line.

My biggest criticism of the coverage is that we got way too much coverage on the final two climbs from the so called poursuivants who in reality were the struggling stragglers who hogged screen time primarily because the group was full of French riders.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Good guy, that Tadej Pogačar.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1680661327029878784

View: https://twitter.com/NBCSCycling/status/1680661327029878784?s=20

 

[proffate]

Congrats to Wout Poels for finally getting a TDF stage win

as far as the GC......... I'm getting vibes of the 2010 TDF when Andy Schleck tried over and over again to drop Contador........

Which worked eventually, even if it took 18 months.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Interesting debate My take was that Jonas' reluctance was not exactly related to 'having none of it'.
But simply caused by the fact that Pogi is a big unknown territory this year and Jonas didn't want a risk of backfire, taking into account upcoming short ITT of which IMO is designed for an indeed tight outcome the two between (ok time will show) and yellow jersey advantage as last starter.

Fully inline here with that POV.

OK now, VERY interesting debate! (I have no answer here)
At least Pogi's data are fully available on Strava (*edit* i.e. no essential HR or wattage analysis data) - haven't checked through busy weekend but previous uploads was just entitled a number indicating stage number, some added single smileys - but this title being a tad more 'sexy'

Thank you for the discussion!

My wonder is if there is some way for, say JV, are able to access the HR and power data from Pog for every stage. I do not put it past any team in professional sports, to try to exploit technology to gain important knowledge.

 

[RobertCrawley]

True sportsman.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1680660665369874434

View: https://twitter.com/TamauPogi/status/1680660665369874434?s=20

 

[memyselfandI]

True sportsman.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1680660665369874434

View: https://twitter.com/TamauPogi/status/1680660665369874434?s=20

This I don't understand. Makes me think this is more like Netflix film production than true racing. Or maybe he meant they both go for a coffee but not hand in hand.

 

[Peter von]

This I don't understand. Makes me think this is more like Netflix film production than true racing. Or maybe he meant they both go for a coffee but not hand in hand.

I just think he is joking because on that image it looks like to mates having a chill ride together.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I called them the Major 2 the other day, but I guess they're now the Double Dongs instead.

 

[Rob5091]

Thank you for the discussion!

My wonder is if there is some way for, say JV, are able to access the HR and power data from Pog for every stage. I do not put it past any team in professional sports, to try to exploit technology to gain important knowledge.

Hacking, I believe, is illegal, although all those millions might not be going on energy bars. Team doctor's data bases on PCs or in Dr Freeman's case laptops would be a source of interest.

Edit - add - I see in baseball, the St Louis Cardinals hacked the Houston Astros back in 2014
https://www.newyorker.com/sports/sporting-scene/baseballs-data-breaches

 

[tobydawq]

Danish commentators said they saw Pinot get dropped from the front group. However, I'm pretty sure I'd seen him in the group just before, and it was actually Le Gac.




I hope I was Le Gac.

You were not Le Gac. You are a Danish woman, he is a French man. He wears yellow glasses, you don't (and Pinot doesn't either, it was poor that all three commentators saw that wrong).

 

[tobydawq]

But it's the same in any sport, even within the same country.

If the most hated FCK player changes teams to Broendby, the Broendby fans start loving him, while the FCK fans start hating him.

Rooting for a team in cycling is not very common, whereas in football that's what everyone does. So this really is not two comparable things.

 

[tobydawq]

I totally did not try to peer over that edge to see if there were more riders down there. No... not at all.

A television screen is 2D, so you can't do that. Unless you were standing on the roadside.

 

[tobydawq]

WTF is Woet Poels doing???? He's got Landa behind and he is pacing Soler and Belgian pozzato. What an idiot. Bahrain need to sack this guy ASAP, unforgivable. What a joke

Aged like fine wine.

 

[tobydawq]

Oh come on, he crashed today.

Don't call her out on such things, then she will just complain that you take her seriously when she is just having some fun.

 

[D. Pecher]

You do realise I am using a slightly altered version of your own comment against you, right?

No you didn't. At no point did my original post declare the other person's opinion irrelevant. First and foremost, if you had criticised my language, I would take that criticism. English is a second language for me and I would be arrogant to claim I get every attempted phrase right. So I could probably better have asked 'haven't you watched cycling in a while' or something like that, because I thought someone wasn't seeing something that appeared obvious to me in comparison to recent history.

I don't measure the relevance of someone's opinion by how long they've watched. I've done so since the days of Indurain and if that isn't enough to be allowed an opinion around here, it would narrow down the potential audience quite a bit, wouldn't it?

So let's leave it at that. My initial post was clumsily worded and you misred it and came back with a reply that was unneccessarily aggressive in its tone. That my irrelevant opinion.

 

[Kwibus]

If he's behind in the GC then surely.

If he can he will, just like he would've if he could the last week. *sigh*

 

[D. Pecher]

Rooting for a team in cycling is not very common, whereas in football that's what everyone does. So this really is not two comparable things.

I think it's more common than you think. At least over here in Germany it is quite common. If you listen to the broadcast of ARD, it mainly revolves around Bora-Hansgrohe, so the main focus was mainly on Hindley really. They do mention the German riders for other teams, but at a lesser focus, even though there are currently only 7 of them in the tour and Zimmermann and Bauhaus have actually done quite well.