Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 16: Passy - Combloux, 22.4k (ITT)

[BillyTwinner]

Either Vingegaard bluffed in the whole race after marie blanque or this makes no sense. Pogacar was as good as he was in the whole tour. If that's the real level of Jonas he should lead the tour by 6-7 minutes to Pogi.

Those big jumps and differences in the level of top riders are a throweback to old days and a disaster for the sport imo. This is not Pdbf where Roglic had a medium performance and Pogi a fantastic day. This is Pogi on a insane best rider in the world level and Vingegaard no human ever did this level

He recovered yes
He was training

 

[Big Doopie]

Not sure what to make of that.

If it hadn’t been only 22km, and was a proper man-sized tt over 60km like some of Indurain’s, it could have been five minutes to Pog.

this was an amazing performance. but distance doesn't come into it as much as time taken. a harder slower course will always allow for bigger gaps generally.

 

[theyoungest]

Go make your marketing somewhere else. Everyone saw what happened.

Come on, don't be such a sore loser. If Pogacar had done the same you would have been over the moon. Pogi and his fans now feel like Jumbo did in the Tour 2020. These things happen.

And, to give you some hope, Van Aert sounds like he has a cold, so maybe he infects Vingegaard and it will be an exciting final few stages

 

[Valv.Piti]

Of course it does.

We all knew beforehand, that both are on another level than anyone else, but when Vingegaard gets a day where 2 of the 3 factors where he is better are present, he beats Pogacar 9 times out of 10 - people just didn't want to believe it beforehand.

Mate, he beat the best rider in the world by almost 2 minutes on this route. Its absolutely ridiculous. Spectacular, nobody expected this.

 

[Vino's Mum]

Jonas laughing like he’s high af.

 

[BillyTwinner]

Mate, he beat the best rider in the world by almost 2 minutes on this route. Its absolutely ridiculous. Spectacular, nobody expected this.

15seconds only from bike change

 

[saunaking]

Stage 20 is dangerous. Based on today, Jonas should try and drop Teddy on Loze, not sit in the wheel

 

[fujiman]

I imagine Jonas had adrenaline pumping the entire 33m36s today, as he remembers Pogi's TdF 1m55s time trial win over Roglic 3 years ago. Hey, anything to motivate oneself, if that's what it takes!

 

[Boehmand]

"Your kind"? By that I guess you mean longtime observers who have seen a few things?

No, I mean the kind that instantly jumps to that conclusion, whenever the rider you are a fanboy of get's killed.

 

[BillyTwinner]

Jonas laughing like he’s high af.

I would laugh and cry after!

 

[theyoungest]

When you see them side by side the difference in cornering and general technique on the bike is striking. Vingegaard takes a few seconds on Pogacar on every roundabout.

 

[Reynard]

There are often very good Tts and to suggest something other is a bad loser

Rog TT in the Giro was also magnificent ...go to the clinic You are p***ing up a against a wall and totally out of order

What are you talking about? There was not that big of a difference between Roglic and the field at the Gito TT. If todays TT had Lussari in it Vingegaard would win with 3 minutes to pogacar and Pogacar with a minute to Roglic.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Couldn't hear the radio due to the crowds so he didn't know the times and surprised himself

sounds about right

 

[Izzyeviel]

In what respect?

no more riding at full gas to catch the break with 100k to go.

 

[IndianCyclist]

At least the fans didn’t cause a crash, they got close a couple times and someone had to pull their friend out of Vinge’s way.

Yes i saw that, an idiot in Polka dots

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Of course it does.

We all knew beforehand, that both are on another level than anyone else, but when Vingegaard gets a day where 2 of the 3 factors where he is better are present, he beats Pogacar 9 times out of 10 - people just didn't want to believe it beforehand.

No it doesn't. Pogacar did not have a bad day, he *** obliterated everyone and this is only a 22km TT. Did you see the gaps Vingegaard got on WvA or everyone else in the Top 10? Are they all suffering from much worse recovery and the heat?

This is Indurain Level, maybe better. That is quite insane - you are not acknowledging how massive a ride this was by Vingegaard at all imo.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I imagine Jonas had adrenaline pumping the entire 33m36s today, as he remembers Pogi's TdF 1m55s time trial win over Roglic 3 years ago. Hey, anything to motivate oneself, if that's what it takes!

* 32m 36s

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

I wonder how different the comments would be if the result had been reversed...

That Motogate thread gonna die, tho.

The sausage is made the way the sausage is made...and they're all eating sausage, so this was a contest of sausage eaters. Deal with it.

 

[Boehmand]

You’re so gracious aren’t you?

Why would I be when people claim he is cheating?

 

[DaveJones2]

Interesting to see the respective splits.

Ciccone's T2-3 time was incredible & Vinge nearly matched him after going 10km/hr faster over the first 10 mins. That's just amazing.

Pog on the other hand was the same climbing time as Simon Yates & then took the expected minute or so elsewhere.

I'd perhaps have expected Pog on his best day to maybe take another 20 sec or so on the climb but he would have had to elevate the rest of his performance to a completely different level to get near to Vinge's time. Heat / recovery / whatever I don't see how he could ever match that even in the best conditions.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Couldn't hear the radio due to the crowds so he didn't know the times and surprised himself

This is harkening back to 2020 when Pog said he raced with his guts and now he has his guts ripped out by Jonas's guts

 

[Oldermanish]

Mate, he beat the best rider in the world by almost 2 minutes on this route. Its absolutely ridiculous. Spectacular, nobody expected this.

There is tomorrow to race but the folks saying he raced negatively and showing no panache have an answer now. There is a point to saving what you can no matter how boring it can be.

 

[Martinstranger]

So the question is how do they make the tour remotely interesting for the next few years?

Haven’t this tour been interesting until now?

Solution: POG focus more on the Tour instead of showing off in the spring and then bring Evenepoel😎 There could be three almost equal competitors.

 

[RobertCrawley]

In the interview, Pogi said he didn't feel that well in the second half of the TT. He said if it's raining tomorrow, he promises that the Tour will be interesting, and anyone can have a bad day.

 

[Didinho]

Still pissed about the Motorgate. These 6sec will be crucial.