Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 16: Passy - Combloux, 22.4k (ITT)

[ManicJack]

Still way more factual than anything you posted on this forum today.

Keep it up. It's entertaining.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

What historical comparison is there to today's race. That's what I don't understand. Anecdotal narratives don't mean crap. What happened today happened. Nothing you can compare it to has any relevance to that fact. Get over it. It was a bike race. There will be another one tomorrow.

Well the answer seems to be there is no good comparison to begin with, which makes it so hard to undestand/believe for people. That no comparison will change the fact of todays performance is true, but what does that have to do with the validity of a comparison? Those are two different things entirely.
And what do you mean by anecdotal narratives. You think I mean history as like in story telling? Is that it?

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

LOL

Much earlier in this debate, when I alluded to you claiming Vingegaard had been cheating, you strenuously denied that was your position - and here you are, saying you are completely unable to offer an alternative explanation without claiming PEDs were used.

You are a ridiculous

No I said I didn't have to point to anything clinic related to make the claim that this was an outlandish performance. And I don't. It's just that: an outlandish perfomance. If clean or not.

And again, you believe that me not being able to satisfy your explanation goals, somehow validates your explanation. I does not. You can't define beforehand what is acceptable as truth. You somehow think that this logical error of yours is a trick to win arguments. Just make a claim, say you accept no explanation that contradicts this claim, and then complain that people who don't agree with that presupposition don't argue under the constrains of that presupposition. And not only do you complain about it, you claim that failing to accept you presupposition equates to proof of your presupposition being true.

 

[Boehmand]

No I said I didn't have to point to anything clinic related to make the claim that this was an outlandish performance. And I don't. It's just that: an outlandish perfomance. If clean or not.

And again, you believe that me not being able to satisfy your explanation goals, somehow validates your explanation. I does not. You can't define beforehand what is acceptable truth. You somehow think that this logical error of yours is a trick to win arguments. Just make a claim, say you accept no explanation that contradicts this claim, and then complain that people who don't agree with that presupposition don't argue under the constrains of that presupposition. And not only do you complain about it, you claim that failing to accept you presupposition equates to proof of your presupposition being true.

Go talk to your mates in the clinic, I find you dishonest.

Bye.

 

[SHAD0W93]

No, you have not offered a single explanation, you have spent your entire time disputing mine, without actually offering your own.

So go on, what do you think the explanation is?

I offered an explanation. What you don’t like it now? That’s fine, that’s my theory on this side of the forum.

Again, I have not saing anything about it not being "crazy", all I have disputed are people moronic claims belonging in the clinic.

I have not told anyone he would take 1:28 out of Pogacar on the TT, my predition was far less, but I have had a great time telling the people that laughed at me (you included), when I told them Vingegaard would beat Pogacar by a good margin in week 3 - with qualified factual reasons - that their chicken had come home to roost - and yes, I realise it embarassed you and you are now hung up on it, tough luck, you made your bed and now have to lie in it

You’re right, because no one thought if he gained time it would be that much. Yes, because your margins were based off Vinge being 5 mins behind, him and his team had made Pog work the whole climb before leading to his big time loss, Pog and his team doing a lot do the attacking with a diminished team, and the sick rumors. All while Pog and Vinge were evenly matched this edition with both looking tired after each stage and Pog being on the upward swing. Which he backed up with his best performance. The only difference is Vinge looked like he hadn’t raced at all the last two weeks despite putting arguably more energy and effort into each stage because unlike Pog, he’d actually been at the front of the sprint trains deep into the sprint finishes.

It’s barely week 3 and after a rest day, don’t act like this was the 19th or 20th stage leading more to your recovery theory. While it was also a 34 minute effort, yes the heat will be that taxing.

 

[RobertCrawley]

So found of you. Have you seen 1)?

Here's a simple argument. Even if was "hurting" because Pogacar lost today, that doesn't mean I don't have good reasons to be skeptical and have disbelief.

If you can't understand this there's no point in arguing anymore.

The good news for Pogačar fans is that the race is not over. Pogi is a great champion, and he will come fighting back, just as he did after Stage 5. Anything can happen in the Tour.

 

[Boehmand]

I offered an explanation. What you don’t like it now? That’s fine, that’s my theory on this side of the forum.

What explanation?

 

[Boehmand]

Yes, because your margins were based off Vinge being 5 mins behind, him and his team had made Pog work the whole climb before leading to his big time loss, Pog and his team doing a lot do the attacking with a diminished team, and the sick rumors. All while Pog and Vinge were evenly matched this edition with both looking tired after each stage and Pog being on the upward swing. Which he backed up with his best performance. The only difference is Vinge looked like he hadn’t raced at all the last two weeks despite putting arguably more energy and effort into each stage because unlike Pog, he’d actually been at the front of the sprint trains deep into the sprint finishes.

More strawman arguments - you seem to be debating your own fantasies about what you "feel" I may think, without me actually having said anything of the sort.

It's really rather dishonest.

 

[ManicJack]

The most dominant TT performance in history (and why it was stage 16 of the 2023 TdF)

Yeah, we all saw it. Jonas Vingegaard dominated this TT like nobody has dominated a TT since...well...since when exactly? If you want an answer to that you came to the wrong post, but I'll write some other stuff instead. So what I did is I tried to come up with a metric showing how dominant a...

forum.cyclingnews.com

Do you even know what anecdotal means. You quoted a rando on this same forum. Fing hilarious

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Go talk to your mates in the clinic, I find you dishonest.

Bye.

I will say greetings from you when I pass by the logical void on the way.

You calling me dishonest, based on that you might have misread my posts, I can somewhat accept. But I have to give the compliment back, as you do nothing but dismiss anything that doesn't fit your narrative and rather claim people are arguing in bad faith just because they don't agree with you.

 

[Boehmand]

I will say greetings from you when I pass by the logical void on the way.

You calling me dishonest, based on that you might have misread my posts, I can somewhat accept. But I have to give the compliment back, as you do nothing but dismiss anything that doesn't fit your narrative and rather claim people are arguing in bad faith just because they don't agree with you.

I refer you to my previous reply.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

I refer you to my previous reply.

I have to disagree, I think after trying to discuss for you for a while, there was never an actual reply by you. Just self referential reasoning. So this is a fitting last post for our discussion after all.

 

[gregrowlerson]

Not if he overtakes him before the swap point

Not far off!

 

[Boehmand]

I have to disagree, I think after trying to discuss for you for a while, there was never an actual reply by you. Just self referential reasoning. So this is a fitting last post for our discussion after all.

I refer you to the previous reply, and if you don't get it this time, I'll happily add you to my muted list permanently.

 

[madthebad]

I refer you to the previous reply, and if you don't get it this time, I'll happely add you to my muted list permanently.

Can you please do me a favour and add me to your muted list as well? Thank you in advance! 🙏

 

[ManicJack]

Can you please do me a favour and add me to your muted list as well? Thank you in advance! 🙏

Why do you continually respond? Trolling?

 

[madthebad]

Why do you continually respond? Trolling?

Nope, have a mute. Bye bye!

 

[ManicJack]

Nope, have a mute. Bye bye!

See you tomorrow 😂

 

[SHAD0W93]

What explanation?

I already said it, go back and read it.

More strawman arguments - you seem to be debating your own fantasies about what you "feel" I may think, without me actually having said anything of the sort.

It's really rather dishonest.

It’s in your post history, starting on page 3. Funny it’s dishonest when many other posters have been saying the same thing to you today.


I will see you tomorrow in the stage 17 thread. Have a good night.

 

[Boehmand]

I already said it, go back and read it.

I see no explanation from you, please repeat it.

 

[ManicJack]

I already said it, go back and read it.


It’s in your post history, starting on page 3. Funny it’s dishonest when many other posters have been saying the same thing to you today.


I will see you tomorrow in the stage 17 thread. Have a good night.

I could care less who wins or loses, but I'm hoping for a nuclear performance from Pogacar. The hypocrisy will be hilarious.

 

[Boehmand]

It’s in your post history, starting on page 3. Funny it’s dishonest when many other posters have been saying the same thing to you today.


I will see you tomorrow in the stage 17 thread. Have a good night.

That post says "I'm not saying it's non-historic, I absolutely think it is" - and not in any way, shape or form what you claim I have said.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I could care less who wins or loses, but I'm hoping for a nuclear performance from Pogacar. The hypocrisy will be hilarious.

It would be crazy and interesting if Pog would match or better Vinge’s clinic posts today if that occurred.

 

[ManicJack]

It would be crazy and interesting if Pog would match or better Vinge’s clinic posts today if that occurred.

Pog could win by 15 minutes with an 8w/kg on the last climb and it wouldn't hit a 3rd of today's posts.

 

[Pirazziattacks]

Why do you keep repeating Pogacar? Explain the gaps to everyone? Pogacar had a very good ride despite all your points.

You can't think much of Pogacar's capabilities if you sincerely believe that this is the absolute best he can do, and that he and UAE judge his efforts against anyone other than the best.