Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 20: Belfort - Le Markstein, 133.5k

[dercuforever]

I made a pact with wife to watch that last stage from start to end. Can't wait.
Pinot will be incredibly motivated, that's all they talk about on French TV and French Twitter. I hope he can put on a great race.
I also wish for a UAE great stage.

 

[theyoungest]

Jumbo might set a high-ish pace trying to see if they can nip the stage. But it’s not really super Jonas suited.
Maybe they let Keldermann join the break of opportunity arises.

I think at this point in the race every stage with heavy climbing in it will suit Vingegaard. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes for it, one final time.

And, if we're on the subject of German, Kelderman is a Dutch name. Keldermann would be the German version.

 

[meat puppet]

If Jumbo sense any weakness in Pog, are they tone deaf enough to embark on a Machiavellian demolition job?

 

[MrTea1976]

Pidcock and Kwiatkowski will go for the break. Obviously Ciccone and the whole EF team. I think Simon Yates will try to take 4th.

 

[Tonton]

I've done the Schlucht / Petit Ballon / Platzerwasel combo until Le Markstein on the bike, and the Tour feminin rode this last year (Petit Ballon / Platzerwasel, not coming from the Schlucht but rather the pittoresque wine villages more North. It's a great combo for an attack all out from the Petit Ballon, but I wonder who has that ambition.

First of all, congrats! That's a heck of a bike ride.

"Who has the ambition?" I know one who does and he knows every inch of the Petit Ballon. He lives nearby and it's his last shot in his last Tour.

 

[Gigs_98]

I think Pogacar will want to win this really really badly but I don't know if he actually wants to go on an attack. Wouldn't be surprised if UAE tries to hold everything together to set up a Pogacar sprint.

I would love Gall in polka dots but wouldn't be mad about Ciccone either. Just not Vingegaard please.

 

[staubsauger]

Alsacian is a Allemanian German dialect. Which is still spoken.

Older people from Alsace spoke German due to the time Alsace was part of the German Empire and Hitler Germany.

The Germans weren't nice to Alsace either. Especially not during the Nazi regime.

There has been a very nice TV series called The Alsacians on arte. Which was aired again at the start of the year. It documents the history of the region and the people very well.

 

[D. Pecher]

Well surrounding places also seem to have German names, it borders on Germany so without looking it up I assume it may have been part of Germany in the past 😀

The Alsace region was intially German, upon the split of Charlemagne's realm into three kingdoms. It then went to France, went back to Germany after the Prussian-Fremch war of 1870 and then back to France after WW I.

 

[HelloDolly]

Does anyone know what happened to Landa

I mean we didn't see him at all . He seemed ok before the Tour but he has been MIA

 

[Tonton]

Alsace's history is much more complicated than described, good contributions nonetheless. It started with the treaty of Verdun in 843, a middle kingdom fought over until 1945. It could have been united under Charles the Bold/Rash had Emperor Frederick III not fled in the middle of the night before Charles planned coronation. To make things more complicated, many of these areas were the subject of Hapsburgs who were Kings of Spain. Until 1678 for my homeland.

There will be a Pinot gathering mixing fanatics and locals, his people, what an ending it would be. Allez Thibaut!

 

[rallybanana]

Why is Voeckler called Voeckler and what is he doing in France? Because he was born in Schiltigheim which is in France. Next question is why is Schiltigheim in France...

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According to Wikipedia, the inhabitants of Schiltigheim are called Schilikois in French and Scheligemer in Alsatian although Vingegaard, Kelderman, and Pinot probably called Voeckler something different on Wednesday.

 

[rallybanana]

The Alsace region was intially German, upon the split of Charlemagne's realm into three kingdoms. It then went to France, went back to Germany after the Prussian-Fremch war of 1870 and then back to France after WW I.

Doesn't France takes its name from a Germanic tribe called the Franks? So they are all German anyway

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Hopefully Bora and Hindley can do something here. Sounds like he's improving?

I was hoping he'd make the podium, but alas, I think he should, barring disaster, make the top 10. (Currently he's sitting at the #7 spot in terms of GC.)

 

[movingtarget]

Maybe another top 10 reshuffle. Bilbao and Simon Yates will be watched more closely. Rodruguez will probably try something. Expect Jumbo to let a more selective break go. Don't expect much from Vingegaard or Pogacar. KOM jersey battle could be fun. Green jersey will suffer in silence...........

 

[SHAD0W93]

And to bend space-time and get the white jersey as well

Don’t forget pushing the pace so high that the sprinters all OTL so he can get the green jersey too.

 

[Savant12]

Does anyone know what happened to Landa

I mean we didn't see him at all . He seemed ok before the Tour but he has been MIA

The time of “Free Landa” is but a memory of a distant past. Age catching up?

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

I think I would become a Pogicar fan if he went on a suicide break from the gun.

 

[gregrowlerson]

The time of “Free Landa” is but a memory of a distant past. Age catching up?

Yep he has been freed. Freed out the back.

 

[Kwaremonster]

The time of “Free Landa” is but a memory of a distant past. Age catching up?

Unfortunately time has its way with us all,.but especially with cyclists it can go fast.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Does anyone know what happened to Landa

I mean we didn't see him at all . He seemed ok before the Tour but he has been MIA

Landa is standing in solidarity with his former teammates MAL and Quintana.

 

[Savant12]

Unfortunately time has its way with us all,.but especially with cyclists it can go fast.

Soon we’ll have one cyclist that will go so fast that it will slow down the aging process.

 

[tobydawq]

(Schlucht) - Petit Ballon - Platzerwasel - Le Markstein has been a traceur favourite, mine included, and now we actually get it! Further more, it serves as last GC stage - its best use.

Obviously I had hoped for even more as Grand Ballon was rumoured for a long time, but despite the rest of the stage, I will still applaud this.

You and Red Rick actually disagreeing on something? I'll mark my calendar.

 

[RobertCrawley]

What kind of dope needles the competition before such an important test of blood and guts on Stage 17 in the TdF?

 

[Rob5091]

133 km, what is that for a final stage? Pathetic. If this was a juniors race, ok, but the Tour? Fits in nicely in the TV spot I suppose and time for everyone to jet off to Paris.
Shame on you Prudhomme!

 

[Tricycle Rider]

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