Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 6: Tarbes - Cauterets-Cambasque, 144.9k

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Pretty sure you didn't get it Off you go to your monologues with celebrities.

Pretty sure you didn't get it You went one layer deep, there are more.

Hint: Your motivations to engage with my post, and the judgments you're making with much less evidence than the public has for public figures, in terms of judgment of personal characteristics. Like I said, I could be wrong, but my current assessment is my current assessment. If you need to spew derision at me, I can take it, Off with your monologues.

 

[Gratemans]

Get a room you two.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Get a room you two.

I will end my contributions.

 

[Gratemans]

I will end my contributions.

I often enjoy your contributions. Just sayin, maybe avoid eachother for now

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

I often enjoy your contributions. Just sayin, maybe avoid eachother for now

I just meant to that topic. Not on every subject.

 

[Gratemans]

People should take notice btw that this is pretty historic. We're just about to finish the first week of a Tour de France and it's been a beautiful battle. That hasn't happened since... I don't f-ing know. But it's been a long time.

I'm so-frigging-stoked for the rest of it.

 

[Boehmand]

The more I think about, the more I worry about Vingegaard's lack of tactical sense today.

Once it was just him and Pogacar, he should have refused to lead, just pulled off and waited for Pogacar to either lead or attack.

Going flat out with Pogacar chilling in your wheel is just arrogance, especially thinking of the number of times he has been dropped by the guy, when close to the finish.

Vingegaard needs to improve his tactical sense, fast, or he will get outsmarted for the overall, even if he is the stronger rider.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Pretty sure you didn't get it You went one layer deep, there are more.

Hint: Your motivations to engage with my post, and the judgments you're making with much less evidence than the public has for public figures, in terms of judgment of personal characteristics. Like I said, I could be wrong, but my current assessment is my current assessment. If you need to spew derision at me, I can take it, Off with your monologues.

No room needed.
To the bold. Precisely I hope you can see how ridiculous and far fetched is someone (including me) passing judgement on another based on limited info AND becoming personal about it. That's the internet in the 90's ffs. And sure, it's your call if you want to keep doing it and bothering you.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

The more I think about, the more I worry about Vingegaard's lack of tactical sense today.

Once it was just him and Pogacar, he should have refused to lead, just pulled off and waited for Pogacar to either lead or attack.

Going flat out with Pogacar chilling in your wheel is just arrogance, especially thinking of the number of times he has been dropped by the guy, when close to the finish.

Vingegaard needs to improve his tactical sense, fast, or he will get outsmarted for the overall, even if he is the stronger rider.

I think until the last climb, he went with the idea that, based on yesterday, he was strong enough to drop Pog. Certainly on the last climb, he should have sensed this was not the case. At the same time, he lost 24 seconds (without bonuses), so the difference today was small, and Pog said that if he'd gone sooner, he might have blown up. He was cooked at the end, so maybe the sense for Jonas was that they were both pretty close, and that Pog dropping was still not out of the question. If he'd let Pog pull through earlier, he would have saved energy, for sure. I think he was racing, maxed out, and acting on instinct by that point. He put more time into Pog the day before, than Pog put into him today. I don't think it was a massive miscalculation, particularly with time to recover on the next two days. I think he will play it a little more conservatively on Sunday.

Again, Sunday will either be epic, or a big disappointment. I am hoping that Pog will want to make a killer blow, and make the race hard, so we can see who is who has the legs, but Sunday is still a loooooonnng way from Paris.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

No room needed.
To the bold. Precisely I hope you can see how ridiculous and far fetched is someone (including me) passing judgement on another based on limited info AND becoming personal about it. That's the internet in the 90's ffs. And sure, it's your call if you want to keep doing it and bothering you.

I just don't cheer for them because of my assessment, and I am sure they couldn't care less that my voice is not in the chorus. I am not asking for sanctions, nor am I asking for them to change.

 

[Gratemans]

The more I think about, the more I worry about Vingegaard's lack of tactical sense today.

Once it was just him and Pogacar, he should have refused to lead, just pulled off and waited for Pogacar to either lead or attack.

Going flat out with Pogacar chilling in your wheel is just arrogance, especially thinking of the number of times he has been dropped by the guy, when close to the finish.

Vingegaard needs to improve his tactical sense, fast, or he will get outsmarted for the overall, even if he is the stronger rider.

That doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. Sure, in hindsight everybody is a genious.
But let's backtrack to yesterday: Pog showed weakness. So Jumbo tried to go for the kill. How the f would it make any sense to wait for a Pogacar attack today?!
I still stand by the fact that tactically, Jumbo did nothing wrong. Pog just felt like riding pretty fast.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

...and based on distant assessment of personalities of pro cyclists, I really like Tom Pidcock.

 

[Gratemans]

I think until the last climb, he went with the idea that, based on yesterday, he was strong enough to drop Pog. Certainly on the last climb, he should have sensed this was not the case. At the same time, he lost 24 seconds (without bonuses), so the difference today was small, and Pog said that if he'd gone sooner, he might have blown up. He was cooked at the end, so maybe the sense for Jonas was that they were both pretty close, and that Pog dropping was still not out of the question. If he'd let Pog pull through earlier, he would have saved energy, for sure. I think he was racing, maxed out, and acting on instinct by that point. He put more time into Pog the day before, than Pog put into him today. I don't think it was a massive miscalculation, particularly with time to recover on the next two days. I think he will play it a little more conservatively on Sunday.

Again, Sunday will either be epic, or a big disappointment. I am hoping that Pog will want to make a killer blow, and make the race hard, so we can see who is who has the legs, but Sunday is still a loooooonnng way from Paris.

Yep. It's just really weird (and wonderful) that there were no tentative pin-*** in the first-week. Instead they just threw their cards right on the table.
I do believe, now that they know they're not that far off, the next week might be slighty dissapointing.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Mind you

I see you've been reading up on your Dale Carnegie.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

I see you've been reading up on your Dale Carnegie.

I'm more of a Tara Brach guy...I couldn't win a friend if I tried, so I content myself with just accepting myself, and letting the blow back, blow by.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

You guys playing for some serious money then?

 

[Rob5091]

And what did you expect from Kelderman?

I understand what Jumbo were trying to do, but if it does not work, stop! Pogacar was behind Vingegaard on GC, Jumbo should have made Pogacar go to the front and work. Kelderman should have been up the road and not WvA.

 

[gregrowlerson]

He wont attack. Pogacar will take him today! Vingegaard has an off day....

Great prediction. Well, the second part of it.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Just watched it again...Jonas lost 24 seconds in 2.4k...that isn't a massive beating.

 

[Nick2413]

Just watched it again...Jonas lost 24 seconds in 2.4k...that isn't a massive beating.

The average gradient for the last 2k was 5.1%. I think he gained time at a similar rate to what Jonas gained on stage 5.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Its upto Pogi to attack since he is behind. I think the GC will be sort of neutralized until TT unless a weakness materializes. Jonas will stick like a limpet to Pogi. of course there will be attacks on Hindley by the other podium hopefuls in the 2nd tier GC race.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

The average gradient for the last 2k was 5.1%. I think he gained time at a similar rate to what Jonas gained on stage 5.

which wasn't a massive beating, either.

 

[BigCoward]

I just meant to that topic. Not on every subject.

Shame.

 

[BigCoward]

Imagine thinking you know someone based on their behavior on a bike or in carefully crafted press statements.

My personality when playing competitive sport was completely different to my behavior in the real world.

 

[Sciatic]

I want to thank Jumbo for dynamiting the race yesterday. I was Cambasque, but assumed that because it isn’t the toughest climb, I would probably get to see a large leaders group coming in together. Which is fine but makes it harder to look closely at individual riders. Instead I got the glorious site of Pog and Ving coming around the corner with no one else in sight. ( I knew they were in the small breakaway grp, but didn’t know what transpired on the lower slopes). Almost as amazing was how chasers then came in 1s and 2s for what seemed like 20 minutes, most looking really fried, before any bigger groups came in. I thought Powless and Bernal looked especially trashed. Great day!