Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 9: Saint-Léonard-de-Noblat - Puy de Dôme, 182.4k

[Grayguard]

*At the moment he is, but how relevant will that be before stage 13?

Ok - so you do accept some facts.

All I've been stating were facts - you're repudiating those with opinions.
You're ofcourse free to do so, as long as you don't equate your opinions with facts.

We'll know soon enough what happens - as I already said, Pogacar might very well end out on top. I just don't see any facts supporting this at this moment.

 

[YavorD]

Pogacar might very well end out on top. I just don't see any facts supporting this at this moment

If I'm not wrong the same applies for Vingegaard, no?

All I'm saying is that in Wednesday Pogacar will (unless something bad happens) be in MUCH better position than he was last year and you don't point any actual facts disapproving this.


P.. s. As a matter of fact, before the first rest day I'd rather be 20 seconds behind with a full team on my disposal than 30 seconds ahead with a team down to 5 (I don't count Hirschi). And that's without taking into account the energy usage and the hindsight of knowing Vingegaard's strength and stage 11 shenanigans.
Which position would you take?

 

[Andy schleck]

If I'm not wrong the same applies for Vingegaard, no?

All I'm saying is that in Wednesday Pogacar will (unless something bad happens) be in MUCH better position than he was last year and you don't point any actual facts disapproving this.


P.. s. As a matter of fact, before the first rest day I'd rather be 20 seconds behind with a full team on my disposal than 30 seconds ahead with a team down to 5 (I don't count Hirschi). And that's without taking into account the energy usage and the hindsight of knowing Vingegaard's strength and stage 11 shenanigans.
Which position would you take?

Actually he is not going to be in better position.
In the beggining of stage 10 last year's tour, Vingegaard was 39 s behind.

 

[EddyMazzoleni]

Ok - so you do accept some facts.

All I've been stating were facts - you're repudiating those with opinions.
You're ofcourse free to do so, as long as you don't equate your opinions with facts.

We'll know soon enough what happens - as I already said, Pogacar might very well end out on top. I just don't see any facts supporting this at this moment.

You can hide behind the *facts* all you want, but the GC after stage 9 of last year is largely irrelevant given the fact that Vingegaard showed to be in superior shape for the rest of the Tour. This year Pogi is actually able to drop Vingegaard, which is a much more valuable asset than a 39 second advantage with all the mountains still to come. It's still a toss up between the two, last year simply was not

 

[Andre]

what does last year have to do with what will happen this year?

 

[Grayguard]

You can hide behind the *facts* all you want, but the GC after stage 9 of last year is largely irrelevant given the fact that Vingegaard showed to be in superior shape for the rest of the Tour. This year Pogi is actually able to drop Vingegaard, which is a much more valuable asset than a 39 second advantage with all the mountains still to come. It's still a toss up between the two, last year simply was not

"My opinions are worth more than your facts."

Have at it, if that's your take on it. Just don't try to equate your subjective opinion with any fact.

 

[SHAD0W93]

"My opinions are worth more than your facts."

Have at it, if that's your take on it. Just don't try to equate your subjective opinion with any fact.

Except the only fact you’re using is the time difference.

 

[EddyMazzoleni]

"My opinions are worth more than your facts."

Have at it, if that's your take on it. Just don't try to equate your subjective opinion with any fact.

Show me where i used subjective opinion, 'cause i did not.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

what does last year have to do with what will happen this year?

If last year didn't happen, this year wouldn't happen either.

 

[Andre]

If last year didn't happen, this year wouldn't happen either.

ad infinitum

 

[Netserk]

Glancing post race postings here, it is becoming clear to me that I stand by my first position;
ASO should never have arranged a revisit after the reintroduction of railway and World Heritage status.

Without those 'obstacles', we've had a fully packed vulcano, spectators all over.
And this place would have extended its honors in the history books and still with mythical aura around it.
Instead, ASO has now secured many derogatory terms about this climb.

I only minded the gravel gimmick.

I hope it features again as a MTT like in 1983 (speaking of which, Joux Plane and both sides of Glandon were cat 1 while Puy de Dôme was HC back then as well).