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This climb of Col du Glandon has had a special place in my heart since first discovering by car in 1991. Then at my first vacation at l'Alpe some years later I was so naïve and silly (nowadays primarily the latter) and just HAD to climb Glandon from "the right side". So with two bottles on a rental 8-shifter (correction 2x front 8x back blades, don't remember the gear ratios, but heavy as they were in the 90ies) road bike down l'Alpe, steady up Glandon from "the wrong side".
A short picnic at a bar/coffee shop down in St.Ètienne-de-Cuines ...and then uphill.
It just took the breath away from me how brutal it was.
Atop I felt dizzy and excused the passing tourists that I enjoyed the view very much.
Then downhill - and l'Alpe felt like piece-of-cake, though only my 3rd time climbing the monster by the time!

The Col du Glandon from the north side - the real one - is so underrated and so often overlooked that it often makes me sick to my stomach, when it often gets close but no cigar in route designs, in favour of it's sibling Col du Croïx de Fer.

I really envy the women this stage!
 
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my ideal tour would have downhill finishes and a real cobbled stage. Like the peloton would be going through Arenberg

when Giro was announced 2 weeks ago with only 12km of gravel roads I did not see you wanting to have 30km (or however many there were in 2021) or wanting at all to bump up the number of gravel km.

So, excuse me, but I am going to take your post about what is an ideal tour for you with a pinch of salt.
 
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I really think the time trial debate routinely misses the point. An Individual time trial has two main objections 1) test a rider in a unique way against the clock, the same way a mountain tests a rider in an unique way. 2) To separate a rider from his/her team, It's why I hate team trials. In an era of super teams (sure, when haven't we had super teams), we need long flat time trials.

While we're on the subject, it seems like every Tour time trial of this era requires a gimick or beautiful tv. Clearly Stage 7 goes through vineyards and forests, didn't we have a Bordeaux area time trial a few years ago that went by vineyards too? We had another time trial through a beautiful city in the north a few years ago. Clearly Prudhomme requires beautiful TV for the medium.
 
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when Giro was announced 2 weeks ago with only 12km of gravel roads I did not see you wanting to have 30km (or however many there were in 2021) or wanting at all to bump up the number of gravel km.

So, excuse me, but I am going to take your post about what is an ideal tour for you with a pinch of salt.

then you should really read more of my posts

I have long said we need stages like Morzine 1983 (which is NOT a Remco stage at all), I wanted Finestre on stage 4 of the TDF (again NOT Remco favorable) and true monster MTF stages (like a stage I proposed of about 250 km through the Pyrenees that included Core, Portet D'Aspet, Mente, Bales, Peyresourde, Aspin with a finish at La Mongie.

Hell, I even said another climb is needed on the Pla D'Adet stage (I'd personally add the Abisque)
 
Not sure I get what's wrong with it? Certainly you are hosed if you don't have a strong team with these long stretches between the climbs. Which I think is a good test of the teams. Looks like a super tough stage, which could decide the whole race. Can you expand on why it's weird? The climb at the start?
The long flat stretches are a killer. In an ideal World it could create a lot of havoc. In the actual times with these strong teams it just creates boredom because the long flat stretches kill any attacks from any GC threat and even breakaways if the GC contenders decide to kill it.
 
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You should accept reality that today's ultra short TTs have turned GTs from identifying the best overall rider to a competition that identifies those who climb mountains the best

Next year's giro is a bit different

You truly live in the past - Lets go back to the Piano stages when the Patron of the peleton would decide when the break could form ,and it was often with 80kms to go in the stage when the TV coverage starts that the break would form - And this after soft pedalling the first 120kms. Rivetting racing!
 
then you should really read more of my posts

I have long said we need stages like Morzine 1983 (which is NOT a Remco stage at all), I wanted Finestre on stage 4 of the TDF (again NOT Remco favorable) and true monster MTF stages (like a stage I proposed of about 250 km through the Pyrenees that included Core, Portet D'Aspet, Mente, Bales, Peyresourde, Aspin with a finish at La Mongie.

Hell, I even said another climb is needed on the Pla D'Adet stage (I'd personally add the Abisque)
Although I feel that every grand Tour should have at least one queen stage, in the 80's, 90's and 00's we would literally have a first week of dull flat stages. Nowadays we literally have GC action throughout most of the race, so if having shorter and tamer mountain stages is the comprimse, then I'm willing to take that for 3 weeks of entertainment.
 
Although I feel that every grand Tour should have at least one queen stage, in the 80's, 90's and 00's we would literally have a first week of dull flat stages. Nowadays we literally have GC action throughout most of the race, so if having shorter and tamer mountain stages is the comprimse, then I'm willing to take that for 3 weeks of entertainment.
How many days of GC action do you expect next year, and what is the threshold for GC action?

Likewise, I'm not quite sure what you mean by dull flat stages. Was the stage Mohorič won this year a dull flat stage?
 
The Tour released some more pictures of the gravel sectors today. Keep in mind they count down so these both are pretty early on.

Sector 13

Sector 11

Could be an optical illusion but one of those pictures looks like the road camber slopes down to the middle of the road. It also looks like there's a gradient in the road so if it rains it could be like racing in a river.
 
I don't think I remember ever seeing you asking for more gravel roads and downhill finishes. I think all you ever asked for are more TT km even though you want to 'identify the best overall rider'.

Hmm, wonder why is that?
No, the point is to bring the long, flat TT back, which has nothing to do with the presence of gravel roads or downhill finishes. Bring those in, but let's bring the long, flat TTs back too. They are necessary to test the all-around abilities, which is what the Tour should fundamentally be about. But if this is not the case, it's because it does not favor the French. For if it did, then surely we'd see them back.
 
How many days of GC action do you expect next year, and what is the threshold for GC action?

Likewise, I'm not quite sure what you mean by dull flat stages. Was the stage Mohorič won this year a dull flat stage?
I was referring the Jean Marie Leblanc Tours on terms of dull flat stages. Look at the Tour's in the 90's of even 00's, you would literally have to wait for 8 -10 days to have actual GC gaps. Potential GC action days next year-
Stage 2
Stage 4
Stage 7
Stage 9
Stage 10 if it's like the 2013 stage?
Stage 11
Stage 14
Stage 15
Stage 17
Stage 19
Stage 20
Stage 21.
 
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I know what the dullest flat stages are, but I would like to know what the upper limit is of that category. Crosswinds are non-dull. Big breakaway fight is non-dull? What of the day before when Asgreen won, was that a dull flat stage? Or is the category only about the inevitable bunch sprints where no strong rider would even bother to go in the break?
 
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