- Apr 30, 2011
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😆Still the same lame duck descent and valley if you take Glandon.
What you want before Alpe d'Huez isn't a pass, it's the climb on the opposite side of the valley, which leaves only 4km of flat between the end of the descent and the start of the Alpe
Col de Solude is basically cut in a rock. It´s more dangerous than Monte Crostis. If there haven´t been enough cycling deaths to your liking, descending Col de Solude is the way to go.
- Apr 30, 2011
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Is that not only a problem if you do it in the opposite direction?
Even Combe Crose seems no worse than when they descended Noyer in 2010.
What I find interesting about the rumors on Velowire is how much like a Giro this route is shaping up in terms of it being an easy, flat, boring (ish) first half of the race and an incredibly tough, concentrated nasty final half of the race.
I suppose every race is bound by geography and financial/political demands. It's not the Tour de South France. You have to include the north. What surprises me about this proposed route is that we're really hitting the north. It looks like maybe the first GC stage comes on stage 7 (stage 2 will be fun but it doesn't look tough enough for GC), But even the Mur doesn't look truly like a GC stage. Stage 10 looks mountainous/ breakaway, Stage 12 looks like first true GC stage. That's late by recent standards. But from there on out, it's mostly GC and frankly from what I've seen looks like it could be relentless. I love the mid race mountain individual time trial. Even should be fresh and there's time to make up gaps later in the race.
I just hope the first time trial in Caen, if it'll be a short one is an individual one because if a 20k individual time trial has a minimum impact, a 20k team time trial really really has a minimal impact. At least with a 20k individual time trial around technical urban streets, you're testing a skill and maybe getting some GC time gaps, even if relatively short.
Anyway as much as we love to complain, the last two years of the Tour really had some nice balance. Punchy early stages, quick trip to the mountains, etc. This upcoming route looks much more like a throwback to an era most of us don't miss, lol.
I suppose every race is bound by geography and financial/political demands. It's not the Tour de South France. You have to include the north. What surprises me about this proposed route is that we're really hitting the north. It looks like maybe the first GC stage comes on stage 7 (stage 2 will be fun but it doesn't look tough enough for GC), But even the Mur doesn't look truly like a GC stage. Stage 10 looks mountainous/ breakaway, Stage 12 looks like first true GC stage. That's late by recent standards. But from there on out, it's mostly GC and frankly from what I've seen looks like it could be relentless. I love the mid race mountain individual time trial. Even should be fresh and there's time to make up gaps later in the race.
I just hope the first time trial in Caen, if it'll be a short one is an individual one because if a 20k individual time trial has a minimum impact, a 20k team time trial really really has a minimal impact. At least with a 20k individual time trial around technical urban streets, you're testing a skill and maybe getting some GC time gaps, even if relatively short.
Anyway as much as we love to complain, the last two years of the Tour really had some nice balance. Punchy early stages, quick trip to the mountains, etc. This upcoming route looks much more like a throwback to an era most of us don't miss, lol.
- Jul 8, 2017
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It's probably the trade-of for having 2 Tours in a row with very decent first half without any boring flat stages in the north.
this route looks taylor made for the remco giro/tour double attempt
Hate when route scater to cerain rider.
FIRE GOUVENOU!!!!! Hire Zomengan
Hate when route scater to cerain rider.
FIRE GOUVENOU!!!!! Hire Zomengan
- Jun 30, 2022
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With barely any TT kilometers and many tough mountains rumored for the third week? Didn‘t know Remco was the second coming of Egan Bernal
- Mar 20, 2022
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Remco can't win the Tour without doing the Giro, let alone Giro-Tour. Just put Mont Ventoux there and he will lose 2 minutes to Pogacar.
I meant with no difficulties until week 3
Made for vingo as well if he has balls
- Jan 29, 2021
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He had another child, of course he have.....
I guess you ironically mean that with this course, Evenepoel is bound for the giro. The rumoured course has 4 hc mtf´s (superbagnères, Ventoux, Alpe d´Huez and la Plagne) and barely any flat itt. That´s about 4 hc mtf´s too much and 2 long flat itt´s too few for an Evenepoel course.
- Mar 20, 2022
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Smart guy, he is trying to win the only GT he can win next year. He must pray to Vingegaard not be there
- Apr 8, 2023
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Makes sense if Roglic, Pogi and a fully fit Vingegaard aim for the Tour.
I think what Patrick said is that Remco might attempt both the Giro and the Tour. I think he said they even considered it for this year but with the Olympics being in July they focused on one peak during that month.
I think what Pog's double has done is make it possible for everyone to play the "well we might do the double card so let's see what kind of route you give us".
I am a Remco fan but obviously they're not designing a Tour route around Remco's needs. In fact I don't think this crew is ever going to give Remco what he probably wants/needs (long individual time trials, punchy climbs). They simply don't like long individual time trials. Especially in a contract year, the best thing for Remco is probably to go to the Giro, win a second grand tour, rather than get another distant 3rd in the Tour.
- Jul 16, 2015
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If there's really going to be a team time trial... then I don't think Prudhomme knows what he's doing anymore. It's just a scattergun approach with one hyped stage after another year after year on a sort of loop in whatever jukebox of ideas he's got floating around.
Point being: team time trials are overrated as hell.
Point being: team time trials are overrated as hell.
- Apr 10, 2019
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Nah, Ulle double with the Giro just to loose the off-season weight and to collect RCS money.
- Jul 16, 2024
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It's not too late to make the route completely flat. To be decided on bonus seconds, cross-winds, cobbles, and gravel (and flat TTs I guess). Might actually make for an interesting battle between, MvdP & Jasper, WvA, Remco, and the Pogster...
- Mar 20, 2022
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- Jul 8, 2017
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And MTF-dependent (not that this isn't typical for the Tour). With Sestriere/Findstre seemingly out, it seems like all the mountain stages will be about the MTF.
Unless we see good medium mountain stages this is shaping to be rather disappointing route.
- Aug 31, 2019
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The typical “easy” solution when there is a dominating force in the race:
- backload the route to keep it tight as long as possible, believing that will create more tension in the race
- don’t make too hard stages, let them fight it out on the last climb (also more friendly for the casual fans just watching the last 15-30 minutes)
- come up with sometimhing stupid to hype as the big deal, when it’s basically irrelevant for the outcome of the race (grid start, bonus seconds on random hills or climbs or…. a short TTT)
- backload the route to keep it tight as long as possible, believing that will create more tension in the race
- don’t make too hard stages, let them fight it out on the last climb (also more friendly for the casual fans just watching the last 15-30 minutes)
- come up with sometimhing stupid to hype as the big deal, when it’s basically irrelevant for the outcome of the race (grid start, bonus seconds on random hills or climbs or…. a short TTT)
- Apr 8, 2023
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[[content deleted]] Of course it has to be "Netflix" friendly as well. Lights! Action! Drama!
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