Tour de France 2025 route rumours and announcements

[snipeheem]

I'm starting to like the route in the second and third week, if the rumours are real.

Col de la Loze is much more interesting than Alpe, will create bigger gaps, and it will be preceded by glandon and madeleine.

La Plagne is a decent MTF, after montee bisane.

Mont ventoux always delivers.

I am fine with a MTT to peyragudes, even if a MTT to a more difficult climb would be better.

Port bales+ superbagneres are fine.

Spandelles + hautacam are a good combination.

Monte dore and mur de bretagne are some good medium stages.

This route is just missing 1/2 mountain stages like puy de dome or LPDBF in the first week.

I hope they put a ITT of 50/60 km.

Key word „if the Rumours are true”.

 

[Pozzovivo]

I'm starting to like the route in the second and third week, if the rumours are real.

Col de la Loze is much more interesting than Alpe, will create bigger gaps, and it will be preceded by glandon and madeleine.

La Plagne is a decent MTF, after montee bisane.

Mont ventoux always delivers.

I am fine with a MTT to peyragudes, even if a MTT to a more difficult climb would be better.

Port bales+ superbagneres are fine.

Spandelles + hautacam are a good combination.

Monte dore and mur de bretagne are some good medium stages.

This route is just missing 1/2 mountain stages like puy de dome or LPDBF in the first week.

I hope they put a ITT of 50/60 km.

Looks perfect for Jonas, no?

 

[Froome]

Looks perfect for Jonas, no?

I can't complain, this time is finally perfect for him.

The route of 2022 was also good for him, 2023 and 2024 not that much.

 

[Froome]

Key word „if the Rumours are true”.

Normally velowire is close from the truth.

 

[vwpe]

Pogacar gonne murder everyone on loze. Like its an impossible task to create a route for them regarding suspense when Pogacar is just so much better than everyone in every terrain there is. They can only try their best. Best way for suspense would be zero MTF and zero mountains at all but then again..impossible.

Regarding the route I personally like Loze and Ventoux dont really understand the weekend stages if those are to be true though.

 

[ChiefMasterPro]

About the Col de la Loze rumours: What if everyone is right? Alpe d'Huez is still on, via Glandon and possibly Gran Cucheron, whereas Loze is the big climb in the middle of the stage towards La Plagne? Col de la Loze and La Plagne on two different stages would mean, that they visit the same area twice, which for images, attention and promotion wouldn't be ideal.

 

[pman]

It’s wild that after these years or so- we still don’t know what’s a Pog or Jonas route. It just underscores how hard it is to sort them out. I thought Pog wilted in the heat but he sure seemed good in the heat this year.

 

[Monsi]

About the Col de la Loze rumours: What if everyone is right? Alpe d'Huez is still on, via Glandon and possibly Gran Cucheron, whereas Loze is the big climb in the middle of the stage towards La Plagne? Col de la Loze and La Plagne on two different stages would mean, that they visit the same area twice, which for images, attention and promotion wouldn't be ideal.

No more Alpe d'Huez it seems. But LFR is saying it is in serious consideration to feature in 2026. If the rumors are true, Loze MTF will be on stage 18 via Glandon and most likely Madeleine. Stage 19 is the MTF to La Plagne.

 

[Monsi]

It’s wild that after these years or so- we still don’t know what’s a Pog or Jonas route. It just underscores how hard it is to sort them out. I thought Pog wilted in the heat but he sure seemed good in the heat this year.

Well, if these current route rumors were presented a year or two years ago, we'd immediately be saying this would be hands down, a Jonas route. But after Pogi really elevated his level in the mountains in 2024, especially in the long climbs, we can say it suits them both equally. And as you said, Pogi seems to have gotten much better too in dealing with the heat.

 

[OlavEH]

No, if they climb 2/3 times mur bretagne.

That would make it better, but it would stille be much a waiting game for the last time, especially if the finish at the top.

The best way to have a hilly stage would be a steep like a distance from the finish followed by a couple of easier climbs closer to finish. Like 2 km, 10 % at 25 km from finish with easier climbs 15 and 8 km from finish.

 

[gavia88]

It's the other side of Loze they seems to do, the "easier" side from Courchevel.

 

[Pozzovivo]

I can't complain, this time is finally perfect for him.

The route of 2022 was also good for him, 2023 and 2024 not that much.

Agree with your assessment of 22 and 23, but 24 was also very good for him.

 

[Pozzovivo]

It’s wild that after these years or so- we still don’t know what’s a Pog or Jonas route. It just underscores how hard it is to sort them out. I thought Pog wilted in the heat but he sure seemed good in the heat this year.

Long very steep climbs are good for Jonas and big ITT in 3rd week, everything else is good for Pog. Many reasons we didn't see that this year of course. Still, Jonas was pretty close to Pog on PdB.

 

[Froome]

Long very steep climbs are good for Jonas and big ITT in 3rd week, everything else is good for Pog. Many reasons we didn't see that this year of course. Still, Jonas was pretty close to Pog on PdB.

He was 10 Watts slower.

 

[Pozzovivo]

He was 10 Watts slower.

10 watts? Could you elaborate? I think he was very close in level, but tactically he was in a tough spot.

 

[Gigs_98]

It's the other side of Loze they seems to do, the "easier" side from Courchevel.

That's only acceptable if they pull a Galibier 2011 and use the proper side before La Plagne the next day. Good lord I dislike these rumours

 

[Froome]

10 watts? Could you elaborate? I think he was very close in level, but tactically he was in a tough spot.

By Chronowatts.

Vingegaard was 10 Watts slower than Pogacar on Plateau de beille.

Pogacar 473 Watts
Vingegaard 463 Watts.

Standard powers (70 kg).

 

[OlavEH]

It's the other side of Loze they seems to do, the "easier" side from Courchevel.

That would be strange. Would that be on the La Plagne stage?

 

[James M]

But after Pogi really elevated his level in the mountains in 2024, especially in the long climbs, we can say it suits them both equally. And as you said, Pogi seems to have gotten much better too in dealing with the heat.

Might suit them equally. But thats cause other terrains is not Vingegaard cup of tea more than anything. And its not partical even in terms of strenght, Pogacar has a so much higher FTP noone can sit on his wheel more than 1-2 min without completely blowing up. We have seen that in every single race and stage this year. The more MTF is not better for the standings of the Tour, it can be a bloodbath very fast with this guy and they need to plan the route accordingly which probarly isnt very easy.

 

[Pozzovivo]

By Chronowatts.

Vingegaard was 10 Watts slower than Pogacar on Plateau de beille.

Pogacar 473 Watts
Vingegaard 463 Watts.

Standard powers (70 kg).

So he was pretty close to Pog in level. Also, it's not 10 watts, but 10 watts on average for the duration.

 

[Froome]

So he was pretty close to Pog in level. Also, it's not 10 watts, but 10 watts on average for the duration.

Yes, that's what i was trying to say.

 

[E_F_]

That would be strange. Would that be on the La Plagne stage?

No LFR is saying that based on the fact that the roumor says the stage will finish on Col de la Loze (Courchevel). In 2020 it was Col de la Loze (Meribel). But tough side of Loze before a finish on La Plagne would be better than most TdF mountain stages, so let's hope they do both. Then the previous climbs could end up mattering on the Loze MTFas well. So two possibly great stages rather than zero..!

 

[Red Rick]

Yes, that's what i was trying to say.

It's also normalized for a 70k rider.

 

[E_F_]

It's also normalized for a 70k rider.

I'm too stupid for that stuff to make sense to me yet...

 

[Red Rick]

I'm too stupid for that stuff to make sense to me yet...

They normalize watts to a fixed weight to get a standardized value. Vingegaard being significantly lighter, means the gap is likely closer to 8 W than 10 W.

It's obviously very small differences, and I'd argue by then you're even talking about stuff like the effects of a motor 20m in front of you as well as Pog getting reduced draft cause Vingegaard is smaller than he is.