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yeah on second thought putting the mountain TT after two mountain stages is hilariously bad.
not with the lack of TTs
Unless stage 20 is a 60km ITT and stage 5 is a 40km ITT
But we have Thierry Gouvenou ruining the tour, so that will never happen
The Pyrenees in general are completely wack. Probably not as ridiculous as in the tweet, but they'll still asterisk asterisk.
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you can still have monster mountain stages with less TT. there hasn't been an actually balanced route in over a decade and we're never going to see that amount of TT at the Tour again. they're going to have to make the mountain stages harder so these psychos stop breaking Pantani records.
I wouldnt say never.
The giro returned to a classic route last year.
The issue is Gouvenou. We need a new race director. Prudhomme needs to do his job as general cycling director for ASO (that is his actual title, https://inrng.com/2024/07/the-top-job/ he oversees all cycling for ASO) and put in place good race directors, not Tweedle Dee (Gouvenou) and Tweedle Dumb (Guillen)
I don't know if stages like that are that important. The top guys are immune to the fatigue. Plateau de beille was thermonuclear w/kg for everybody, after a hard stage.
the Giro route was not "classic" at all, it was a travesty with barely any mountains
how long have you watched cycling for?
It was a course from 20-40 years ago. In other words, a classic course.
Classic does not mean it is the world climbing championships
Yea can we plase get the 15 flat stage TdF routes back?
yeah then sure, it was "classic" like the routes they made for Moser in the '80's that everyone agrees were a blight on the history of cycling
go look up the 1995 Giro route if you want to see "classic". 2024 had ONE mountain stage over 200k. that is a joke.
the hard racing on the flats served to dull the legs of the climbers, producing more all around winners.
Of course, we should have included things like gravel and cobbles
I believe by hard racing on flat you mean "riders suffering from severe detraining effects by the 2nd week?"
yes. tour routes were generally 500-1000km longer than today
the routes could easily go back to those lengths.
We just dont need to broadcast every stage from start to finish. That is the big problem. Air the final 2 hours of the flat stages as was the case 20-25 years ago and the issue of boring flat stages goes away.
We just dont need to broadcast every stage from start to finish. That is the big problem. Air the final 2 hours of the flat stages as was the case 20-25 years ago and the issue of boring flat stages goes away.
And that was more or less shite.
The best Giros in the last 20-25 years have also been some of the most mountainous. Especially including combos like Finestre-Sestriere, Mortirolo-Aprica and more of that kind.
Glandon + Loze, but no Madeleine? That would mean a freakin long flat stretch in the middle of the stage. If they include Madeleine it would at least be a stage of moderate length and with three big climbs. Although not a good design, it would be tough.
They could go around......
Usually they don't do 3 that big climbs in one stage any more. The only exceptions I can rembeber in the later years would be a couple of MTFs at Alpe d'Huez where they did two of Galibier/Madeleine and Croix de Fer first.
I'm starting to like the route in the second and third week, if the rumours are real.
Col de la Loze is much more interesting than Alpe, will create bigger gaps, and it will be preceded by glandon and madeleine.
La Plagne is a decent MTF, after montee bisane.
Mont ventoux always delivers.
I am fine with a MTT to peyragudes, even if a MTT to a more difficult climb would be better.
Port bales+ superbagneres are fine.
Spandelles + hautacam are a good combination.
Monte dore and mur de bretagne are some good medium stages.
This route is just missing 1/2 mountain stages like puy de dome or LPDBF in the first week.
I hope they put a ITT of 50/60 km.
Col de la Loze is much more interesting than Alpe, will create bigger gaps, and it will be preceded by glandon and madeleine.
La Plagne is a decent MTF, after montee bisane.
Mont ventoux always delivers.
I am fine with a MTT to peyragudes, even if a MTT to a more difficult climb would be better.
Port bales+ superbagneres are fine.
Spandelles + hautacam are a good combination.
Monte dore and mur de bretagne are some good medium stages.
This route is just missing 1/2 mountain stages like puy de dome or LPDBF in the first week.
I hope they put a ITT of 50/60 km.
Not if there is a headwind, which defintely happens.
Hell no. Mur de Bretagne is 5 mins of action and that is it!
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