Tour de France 2025 route rumours and announcements

[Netserk]

ASO profiles are almost always worthless.

 

[Valv.Piti]

ASO profiles are almost always worthless.

Hey, cute pic!

 

[Netserk]

Hey, cute pic!

I look stunning, as always.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Best looking and most talented in the peloton, thats for sure

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Some news I'm surprised hasn't been talked about here yet.

Yesterday, ASO published the rules and regulations for this Tour, and there was quite the bombshell: the hilly stages will all award the same amount of points for the points classification as the sprint stages. (This is not currently reflected by the information on the official site, but a Wielerflits forum user emailed ASO and received confirmation that the site is not up to date in this regard, so the distribution below is definitive).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1935310498418872527

Between this and the points distribution for the KOM classification this year (five of the eight HC climbs, including the Souvenir Henri Desgrange which hands out double points are MTFs), I can only conclude that ASO's takeaway from last year's edition is that Pogacar should win even more things. Because he IMO starts the race as the favourite for every single jersey he is eligible for now.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Some news I'm surprised hasn't been talked about here yet.

Yesterday, ASO published the rules and regulations for this Tour, and there was quite the bombshell: the hilly stages will all award the same amount of points for the points classification as the sprint stages. (This is not currently reflected by the information on the official site, but a Wielerflits forum user emailed ASO and received confirmation that the site is not up to date in this regard, so the distribution below is definitive).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1935310498418872527

Between this and the points distribution for the KOM classification this year (five of the eight HC climbs, including the Souvenir Henri Desgrange which hands out double points are MTFs), I can only conclude that ASO's takeaway from last year's edition is that Pogacar should win even more things. Because he IMO starts the race as the favourite for every single jersey he is eligible for now.

What a time to be alive. I can only assume the the youth classification has been changed, too.

 

[Red Rick]

This may sound absolutely shocking coming from me, but it seems more like the ASO want Van der Poel to win green rather than Pogacar

 

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as far as I can see, the points distribution itself is actually the same as before. What changed is that tougher stages (like Mur de Bretagne) also got distributed to the "stages without any particular difficulties" coeff. 2 category.

edit: although checking again, Mur de Bretagne already was coeff 2 in 2021. MvdP got 50pt back then as well

 

[Devil's Elbow]

This may sound absolutely shocking coming from me, but it seems more like the ASO want Van der Poel to win green rather than Pogacar

Pogacar will score in the triple digits from the mountain stages alone, Philipsen is doing the flat sprints, and I expect Pogacar to outscore Van Der Poel in the first week hilly stages. That all amounts to a massive amount of points Van der Poel would need to make up from what little breakaway opportunities there are plus the intermediate sprints. If UAE are going to be policing moves with the green jersey in mind, the math actually becomes almost impossible.

Well, unless Philipsen is going to be deployed as a leadout man in the first week already, but I can't see that one happening.

The man who would have been able to hold off Pogacar (and do so pretty comfortably) is the good version of Van Aert, but the 2025 version will struggle to make it over some of these hills, get outmuscled in the sprints and therefore not matter.

 

[Red Rick]

Pogacar will score in the triple digits from the mountain stages alone, Philipsen is doing the flat sprints, and I expect Pogacar to outscore Van Der Poel in the first week hilly stages. That all amounts to a massive amount of points Van der Poel would need to make up from what little breakaway opportunities there are plus the intermediate sprints. If UAE are going to be policing moves with the green jersey in mind, the math actually becomes almost impossible.

Well, unless Philipsen is going to be deployed as a leadout man in the first week already, but I can't see that one happening.

The man who would have been able to hold off Pogacar (and do so pretty comfortably) is the good version of Van Aert, but the 2025 version will struggle to make it over some of these hills, get outmuscled in the sprints and therefore not matter.

You're probably right.

This could be my one optimistic take this year that I get instantly kicked in the teeth for

 

[Escarabajo]

Where can we start looking at the official starting lists?

 

[Berniece]

Where can we start looking at the official starting lists?

I think only Uno-X has officially confirmed their starting line up.

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I think only Uno-X has officially confirmed their starting line up.

Last year we had a dedicated "Tour de France 2024 - team line-ups" thread. I guess that's what he is referring to?!

 

[Pantani_lives]

Here’s a top 12 of the toughest climbs in the Tour, ordered by “difficulty points” on climbfinder:

1. Mont Ventoux 1352 [stage 16]
2. Col de la Loze 1258 [stage 18]
3. Col de la Madeleine 1179 [stage 18]
4. Col du Tourmalet 1111 [stage 14]
5. La Plagne 1097 [stage 19]
6. Col du Glandon 1082 [stage 18]
7. Hautacam 1011 [stage 12]
8. Superbagnères 964 [stage 14]
9. Col du Pré 873 [stage 19]
10. Soulor 776 [stage 12]
11. Peyresourde 716 [stage 14]
12. Peyragudes 657 [stage 13]

[Edited]

 

[gregrowlerson]

Here’s a top 12 of the toughest climbs in the Tour, ordered by “difficulty points” on climbfinder:

1. Col de la Loze 1432 [stage 18]
2. Mont Ventoux 1352 [stage 16]
3. Col de la Madeleine 1179 [stage 18]
4. Col du Tourmalet 1111 [stage 14]
5. La Plagne 1097 [stage 19]
6. Col du Glandon 1082 [stage 18]
7. Hautacam 1011 [stage 12]
8. Superbagnères 964 [stage 14]
9. Col du Pré 873 [stage 19]
10. Soulor 776 [stage 12]
11. Peyresourde 716 [stage 14]
12. Peyragudes 657 [stage 13]

Highlights what a beast stage 18 is.

 

[Red Rick]

Loze from the meme side over Ventoux is comedy

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Loze from the meme side over Ventoux is comedy

Here’s a top 12 of the toughest climbs in the Tour, ordered by “difficulty points” on climbfinder:

1. Col de la Loze 1432 [stage 18]
2. Mont Ventoux 1352 [stage 16]
3. Col de la Madeleine 1179 [stage 18]
4. Col du Tourmalet 1111 [stage 14]
5. La Plagne 1097 [stage 19]
6. Col du Glandon 1082 [stage 18]
7. Hautacam 1011 [stage 12]
8. Superbagnères 964 [stage 14]
9. Col du Pré 873 [stage 19]
10. Soulor 776 [stage 12]
11. Peyresourde 716 [stage 14]
12. Peyragudes 657 [stage 13]

Loze is around 1250 points actually if you choose from Brides-Les-Bains via Courchevel (so obviously easier than Mt Ventoux). The one you chose is the hardest 2020 version (22 km at 7.5%+ or so), which is the most difficult climb in TdF history indeed.

 

[houtdffan]

Here’s a top 12 of the toughest climbs in the Tour, ordered by “difficulty points” on climbfinder:

1. Col de la Loze 1432 [stage 18]
2. Mont Ventoux 1352 [stage 16]
3. Col de la Madeleine 1179 [stage 18]
4. Col du Tourmalet 1111 [stage 14]
5. La Plagne 1097 [stage 19]
6. Col du Glandon 1082 [stage 18]
7. Hautacam 1011 [stage 12]
8. Superbagnères 964 [stage 14]
9. Col du Pré 873 [stage 19]
10. Soulor 776 [stage 12]
11. Peyresourde 716 [stage 14]
12. Peyragudes 657 [stage 13]

Remember, drunk gouvenou did not count the first 6 km of ventoux to make it appear steeper. It is really 21.8 km at 7.6 pct

 

[Valv.Piti]

Loze from the meme side over Ventoux is comedy

Even over hard side Madeleine. Madeleine is definitely a harder climb than Loze, but being 300 pts beihnd is kinda laughable. I guess length and altitude plays a part.

I'd go
Ventoux
Madeleine
Loze
Tourmalet
La Plagne
Hautacam
Glandon
Pré
Soulor
Superbagneres

 

[Lexman]

Anyone here has the official roadbook? would someone know where the riders are staying after stage 3?

 

[Pantani_lives]

Loze is around 1250 points actually if you choose from Brides-Les-Bains via Courchevel (so obviously easier than Mt Ventoux). The one you chose is the hardest 2020 version (22 km at 7.5%+ or so), which is the most difficult climb in TdF history indeed.

Thanks. It's 1258. I've edited my previous post. It makes more sense to have the Mont Ventoux at #1 indeed.

 

[Froome]

Here’s a top 12 of the toughest climbs in the Tour, ordered by “difficulty points” on climbfinder:

1. Mont Ventoux 1352 [stage 16]
2. Col de la Loze 1258 [stage 18]
3. Col de la Madeleine 1179 [stage 18]
4. Col du Tourmalet 1111 [stage 14]
5. La Plagne 1097 [stage 19]
6. Col du Glandon 1082 [stage 18]
7. Hautacam 1011 [stage 12]
8. Superbagnères 964 [stage 14]
9. Col du Pré 873 [stage 19]
10. Soulor 776 [stage 12]
11. Peyresourde 716 [stage 14]
12. Peyragudes 657 [stage 13]

[Edited]

They forgot about Granon.

 

[Red Rick]

Even over hard side Madeleine. Madeleine is definitely a harder climb than Loze, but being 300 pts beihnd is kinda laughable. I guess length and altitude plays a part.

I'd go
Ventoux
Madeleine
Loze
Tourmalet
La Plagne
Hautacam
Glandon
Pré
Soulor
Superbagneres

It's just the problem with standardizing everything into one formula.

With Ventoux if you swap around the section after Chalet Reynard and put it before the section in the forst you could have all the same gradients but a very different climb.

Ventoux can be either a crazy unipuerto climb because the action goes down in the forest on the steep section or it can be very mid when everyone waits and there's a big headwind on the exposed section.

But that's also a reason why I'm not a big fan of Col de la Loze as a MTF, because all the action only goes down on the bike path.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

They forgot about Granon.

I don't think that's why it isn't in the race this year.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Sure, but look at the stage and the placement - its a rather long a super heavy desnivel stage coming on stage 18. Loze will be super, super hard, even though the gradients dont really invite to aggressive racing. At least the stage has the potential to go crazy.