Tour de France Tour de France 2025 Stage 13: Loudenvielle – Peyragudes (10.9k, ITT)

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Any ideas for Jonas' performance this year? He's clearly an immense talent who isn't himself right now.

He gained to much explosiveness by doing carpentry work.

 

[Red Rick]

Not sure this is long enough for Lipowitz diesel engine.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Gall in the top 5 today.

Lipowitz was very good in the flat TT. He struggles more with the spikes in watts than at a 20 minute flat out effort.

 

[Heston]

Without going into too much speculation, all the drama with Vinge's wife has to be a negative impact on his performance, at least on a mental level. Especially because he normally hates drama and tries to stay out of it.

 

[Schultz0620]

Without going into too much speculation, all the drama with Vinge's wife has to be a negative impact on his performance, at least on a mental level. Especially because he normally hates drama and tries to stay out of it.

I think it's more than just being undercooked and mistiming things.

 

[dazaau]

Any ideas for Jonas' performance this year? He's clearly an immense talent who isn't himself right now.

No, I expected more. Dauphine wasn't good, and it's still off. Mind you he is still great - head and shoulders above everyone not named Pogacar.

He has been shockingly good in more classic type stages and punchy climbs, I heard he had put on more muscle, perhaps if true that's been a mistake, esp because he does not engage in classic races and the tdf is the focus.

All of visma are a bit off to be honest.

 

[Heston]

All of visma are a bit off to be honest.

They did win a Grand Tour 2 months ago. Yates seems as good as he has ever been.

But Wout and Jonas are complete shadows of their 2022 self.

 

[Salvarani]

They did win a Grand Tour 2 months ago. Yates seems as good as he has ever been.

But Wout and Jonas are complete shadows of their 2022 self.

It seems that both have declined or started to.

But so have a lot of the riders in the 2022-2023 team.

Went too hard and suffer for it now.

They did have a lot success though. They had a good run from their perspective.

 

[Brullnux]

Didn't bother to calculate it myself, but Bengsch on German ES said the old time limit, expecting a 22min winner time, would be 7 minutes. I guess that would put way to many riders in jeopardy for their taste.

Only one rider under 29 minutes so far, so it the fear may have been warranted.

It's hard to set time limits on an MTT when the likely winner is climbing as fast than anyone in history

 

[Salvarani]

Plapp should be a good indicator

 

[dazaau]

They did win a Grand Tour 2 months ago. Yates seems as good as he has ever been.

But Wout and Jonas are complete shadows of their 2022 self.

Yes, but Yates isn't even supposed up be at the tour, only recently came from Jayco. The Giro was a surprise, that's for sure. You can add Kuss to your list of where did his form go I reckon.

 

[Didinho]

Plapp with no TT bars and disc wheel. Odd combo but maybe that’s what Remco is trying.

What is even the weight of a disc wheel?

 

[buddy buddy buddy]

Vingegaard is a specialist in 1-5 minutes climbs so this is above his striking zone. However, if he imagines it as 5 consecutive Bretagne hills he should be fine.

you guys laugh cause its funny but this is actually what the famous british cyclist bradley wiggins said when he started going fast uphill, he was just thinking about all of these mountains as a series of 4000m races one after the other

 

[Ancalagon]

LVE just set the first semi-decent benchmark at 27'49. With that in mind, what time do you see Pogacar clocking?

 

[Lequack]

Today's finish

 

[Brullnux]

Okay I admit Merlier is taking the piss, but at this rate he'll be in danger of the 40% time limit.

 

[ice&fire]

Today's finish

I can see Pog taking off and landing in Luchon

 

[perico]

Yes, but Yates isn't even supposed up be at the tour, only recently came from Jayco. The Giro was a surprise, that's for sure. You can add Kuss to your list of where did his form go I reckon.

Kuss rode 3 GTs in a calendar year and then had a nasty Covid case. His struggles were kind of predictable. To be honest, he actually looked as good as he has in a long time yesterday.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Today's finish

Every day is a party day at the Tour.

 

[dobrien]

Kuss rode 3 GTs in a calendar year and then had a nasty Covid case. His struggles were kind of predictable. To be honest, he actually looked as good as he has in a long time yesterday.

I have a sneaking feeling Sepp is going to come good next week; most likely won't make a big difference but it won't hurt either.

 

[Salvarani]

Plapp smashing it, compared to LVE at least.

Difficult to judge until the GC guys starts showing up how good the ride is.

 

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

How much flat is there before the official "start" of the climb? 2.9/3km? Pogacar and Vingegaard did the climb itself in 19:50 in 2022, let's say Pogacar does it in 18:30 and gets sub 22 minutes he would OTL 3 riders already, Demare and Merlier among them.

 

[ice&fire]

Pogi got revenge for 2022 Hautacam humiliation.
Today is revenge for 2023 ITT humiliation.

You dared waking up the GOAT ? Now is time to suffer his anger

Then there's Col de la Loze next week, and ASO is taking note to include Granon next year.

 

[Squire]

I hope you're right but I don't know; he looked like Death himself coming over the line yesterday, he went really really deep it seems. Trying to stay with Pog's initial attack just killed him; Lipo on the other hand had some real forward momentum on the climb and seemed a lot fresher afterwards. Remco, don't know about him, we'll see. I know I'm going against the grain but I'm kind of glad this is a short TT given yesterday and what is to come tomorrow.

This is kinda my point (the bolded). I think if Vingegaard did Lipowitz' pacing 'strategy' he'd have a bigger gap to Lipowitz.

Remco should do well today. At least 4th behind Lipowitz, if not 3rd.

 

[Red Rick]

How much flat is there before the official "start" of the climb? 2.9/3km? Pogacar and Vingegaard did the climb itself in 19:50 in 2022, let's say Pogacar does it in 18:30 and gets sub 22 minutes he would OTL 3 riders already, Demare and Merlier among them.

Fastest is 5'50 at T1. We're not getting sub 22 minutes

 

[RedheadDane]

Coquard will be happy he's not going to grap a mussette today.