Armchair Cyclist
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- Mar 22, 2010
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Yes, yes they are.
They are sprinters. No need for quotation marks.
You working hard is not really relevant, so do I. We're talking about cycling here, not our random jobs.
I swear, we are on to something big here; we need to get ASO on a conference call STAT!
- Jul 3, 2022
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Wise gramps.G says everyone just chill
A wild Buchmann appearing in the top 10, showing that young biathlon guy who the German GC #1 is.
- Jul 10, 2012
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Merlier and milan are both fine so I don't know what you're on about
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Just watched the philipsen crash a zillion times. Coquard was on Milan's hip. He moves right in anticipation of Milan's sprint. Very adroit, because half a second later Milan enters berserk mode and would have chopped Coquard's wheel had Coquard not given him space. Unfortunately the wanty guy was already head down, and not as smart as Coquard, so they bump and he hooks Coquard's bars. Philipsen is an innocent bystander but this is a normal racing incident. The wanty guy and Milan are just as much to blame as Coquard. If the wanty train had stayed together then they wouldn't have had the problem of needing to make up spots.
Everyone who's moaning on here had philipsen in their fantasy team.
Everyone who's moaning on here had philipsen in their fantasy team.
I am talking about cycling as well. I do work (train) hard, but I do not have the talent to be among the best.
Well, I use quotation marks to distinguish them from the real sprinters, the ones on the track.
Let me make one final point. These riders do not add to the spectacle, absolutely zero imho. The ONLY thing they do to influence the race is to take out some actual professional road cyclists who can provide a spectacle for the viewers.
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This is why Remco doesn't listen to his team.
- Feb 20, 2010
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Yea, this was predictably an absolute disaster. Like, cycling as envisaged by From Software, where joyless grinding punctuated by pain and suffering is not just expected but mandatory. From the lack of any teams with any jeopardy or for whom camera time is a motivation for their race, meaning nobody has any inclination to get in a break for the coverage (this is happening more and more frequently in recent years), to the headwind nullifying any real motivation to make any speculative moves late on, to a series of pinch points and narrowings with a practically complete péloton that would have been dangerous enough without the riders launching themselves around with wanton abandon safe in the knowledge that they can blame the race organisers for any consequences of their actions as usual, it was everything early flat stages in the Tour are at their worst, unfortunately.
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About the Philipsen crash.
Really gutted for Jasper but honestly I don't see anyone's at fault here.
Maybe just maybe Rex didn't do the ideal move, and he probably even clipped with Coquard somehow, but I don't see a really bad move from the French.
*** happens.
Really gutted for Jasper but honestly I don't see anyone's at fault here.
Maybe just maybe Rex didn't do the ideal move, and he probably even clipped with Coquard somehow, but I don't see a really bad move from the French.
*** happens.
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Ofcoursw Coquard didn't knew what hit him. He was only a passenger.Coquard regretful and emotional.
"It wasn’t deliberate. I’m not a reckless rider" - Tearful Bryan Coquard makes heartfelt apology to Jasper Philipsen after Tour de France crash
Stage 3 of the 2025 Tour de France is a day that will live long in the memory of Bryan Coquard, and not for all the right reasons either. After putting himself in the mix at the intermediate sprint, t...cyclinguptodate.com
Original link: https://www.cyclismactu.net/news-td...es-je-m-excuse-aupres-de-philipsen-88775.html
Still can't quite fathom the jury and lot of ppl seeing something completely different that my eyes witnessed at the live signal.
Here, hours later, I just had the opportunity to replay again, this time in both slowmo and super-slow.
That didn't exactly chance my conclusion.
Coquard is just the passenger in unfortunate circumstances.
On the live picture my eyes were on Rex, fighting his way up to the front.
Try to watch the entire sequence 1:1 from Rex entering the picture. He is not racing a straight line as claimed.
Coquard is squeezed between Rex who is suddenly on his side and Milan who is tipping the opposite way. Coquard tries to avoid, but there is Rex.
My POV? Still a "race incident", pure misfortunes.
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The ironic the Alpecin rider subsequently screaming at Coquard when that was just a racing incident when that team deviates out of bed every morning.
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Just watched it countless times as well, and I pretty much came to the same conclusion 🤷🏼♂️
About taking out the Green Jersey in an intermediate sprint for lesser placings. It's typical of his wheel-sucking jumpiness.
Now that he apologized to Jasper (ruining his Tour...yeah "Sorry" covers it) and has been fined you know what I'm on about. I hated those little wheel chopping *** when I raced. Total breakaway killers if they were lucky enough to infiltrate. That's my deeply personal perspective after being taken out by that type of rider.
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Congratulations to Tim Merlier for winning the sprint.
Slow paced stage on where sprinters took the spotlight, unfortunately a whole lot of crashes involved. Philipsen first of the big GC contenders, for green, abandoning due to injuries, Remco hitting the deck, two RBH team members on where Meeus crashed rather severely ... on top of plethora of other riders crashing.
It just doesn't fit any more, modern cycling in pre-modern format.
As for the yellow card involving Philipsen crash. In general it might not be a bad idea, to try to influence rider behaviour in the peloton, as 30% of crashes are caused by riders and hence there might be a chance to lower the occurrence by altering rider behaviour. So consistent outcome in term of overseeing sprints is worth a try, still, the way it currently works is it serves more as a punishment system, on where things like intentions of the rider involved doesn't make any difference. On top of that it is statistically guaranteed that at such stage certain number of crashes will occur, saying that it is enough to after single out and punish riders with yellow cards and that is that. It's clearly not.
What is severely lacking is foremost crash prevention protocols, this is currently just an afterthought and on top of that injury prevention protocols must be implemented. That is making sure that number of crashes gets reduced, not only the 30% on where riders are at fault and on top of that when crash does occur, injuries must be prevented. Philipsen IMHO would be able to continue if riders would already wear protective apparel, preventing most injuries on when it comes to the collarbone area.
Here i feel that UCI is the most responsible body in cycling to in collaboration with other parties involved, such as riders and organisers, sets things in motion and implements such protocols. Pro road cycling, as a sport, is just not watchable any more and can never become a mainstream sport, until this gets addressed.
Slow paced stage on where sprinters took the spotlight, unfortunately a whole lot of crashes involved. Philipsen first of the big GC contenders, for green, abandoning due to injuries, Remco hitting the deck, two RBH team members on where Meeus crashed rather severely ... on top of plethora of other riders crashing.
It just doesn't fit any more, modern cycling in pre-modern format.
As for the yellow card involving Philipsen crash. In general it might not be a bad idea, to try to influence rider behaviour in the peloton, as 30% of crashes are caused by riders and hence there might be a chance to lower the occurrence by altering rider behaviour. So consistent outcome in term of overseeing sprints is worth a try, still, the way it currently works is it serves more as a punishment system, on where things like intentions of the rider involved doesn't make any difference. On top of that it is statistically guaranteed that at such stage certain number of crashes will occur, saying that it is enough to after single out and punish riders with yellow cards and that is that. It's clearly not.
What is severely lacking is foremost crash prevention protocols, this is currently just an afterthought and on top of that injury prevention protocols must be implemented. That is making sure that number of crashes gets reduced, not only the 30% on where riders are at fault and on top of that when crash does occur, injuries must be prevented. Philipsen IMHO would be able to continue if riders would already wear protective apparel, preventing most injuries on when it comes to the collarbone area.
Here i feel that UCI is the most responsible body in cycling to in collaboration with other parties involved, such as riders and organisers, sets things in motion and implements such protocols. Pro road cycling, as a sport, is just not watchable any more and can never become a mainstream sport, until this gets addressed.
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My opinion of today is proportional to what the peloton offered me over four hours. Very short. Short from the start, very ugly crashes by Jasper Philipsen, Merlier beating Milan to the photo finish. Is this what ASO has to offer cycling fans?
Carlos Silva (CiclismoAtual)
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Unless you're a pro (and I'll include conti riders in this), you're not training nearly as hard as these guys do.
Road sprinters are in fact also real sprinters.
What do you think eliminating sprint stages will even accomplish?
It won't make all the stages GC relevant, and it certainly won't get rid of crashes.
- Jul 16, 2015
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Like I said before the Tour, red card offending riders who barge into others and send those riders home. It's the only way.
You can't do a thing about the parcours (France is France and its streets + road furniture are what they are, i.e. crashes will happen everywhere and they do), you can't change the topology of the country either (save for a potential earthquake that suddenly creates a massif in the north eastern part of the country, i.e. it's called the Tour de France - not the Tour des Montagnes), you also can't change the very nature of what a bunch sprint is: riders lined up across the whole road going full gas in a full bunch.
So all that's left is to police the actual behaviors on the road in the bunch. A few red cards handed out would soon calm these guys down. They could also look into eliminating the ridiculous UCI points system which means sprinting like a nutter for 10th yields results.
You can't do a thing about the parcours (France is France and its streets + road furniture are what they are, i.e. crashes will happen everywhere and they do), you can't change the topology of the country either (save for a potential earthquake that suddenly creates a massif in the north eastern part of the country, i.e. it's called the Tour de France - not the Tour des Montagnes), you also can't change the very nature of what a bunch sprint is: riders lined up across the whole road going full gas in a full bunch.
So all that's left is to police the actual behaviors on the road in the bunch. A few red cards handed out would soon calm these guys down. They could also look into eliminating the ridiculous UCI points system which means sprinting like a nutter for 10th yields results.
- Jul 16, 2015
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The fact it's considered a 'normal' racing incident is why it'll continue to happen ad-infinitum.
These guys are fearless and have no concern for safety - either their own or others. It's all well and good saying it's a normal incident but saying it's 'normal'... should probably mean someone should start to take a look at creating a new normal where riders think twice about putting themselves in these types of situations.
Say for example you're walking a tightrope between skyscrapers. Under 'normal' circumstances everything is fine. But considering the risk... it's really not okay. That's what bunch sprints have become. If everyone behaves normally or doesn't make a mistake, everyone survives. But human error is a thing, so the 'normal' here needs to be addressed.
I have no problem with Coquard getting singled out here because you have to start somewhere.
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It doesn't help if the course makes it more difficult to ride "normally"
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