MTT to Plateau de Solaison...MTT is the best way to use Alpe d'Huez after unipuerto anyway
What about this "use" of A. d'H. though?

Albertville - Alpe d'Huez
189.5 km, +5718 m. Bike ride in Albertville, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes

MTT to Plateau de Solaison...MTT is the best way to use Alpe d'Huez after unipuerto anyway
Great. I really dislike the way it always has this stupid flat section before and how it basically beocmes a queen stage despite never working well like thatMTT to Plateau de Solaison...
What about this "use" of A. d'H. though?
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Albertville - Alpe d'Huez
189.5 km, +5718 m. Bike ride in Albertville, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpesridewithgps.com
Yeah, it really does make for a terrible MTF on queen stage (the normal version of course, not my solution). Perfectly encapsulated by the glorious Froome vs Pidcock battle for the ages with Pogacar and Vingegaard taking a well deserved day off after the Granon stage.Great. I really dislike the way it always has this stupid flat section before and how it basically beocmes a queen stage despite never working well like that
But this is one is cool
Knowing the ASO I can already imagine the Alps next year... Cote de Domancy descent finish on stage 18, big fat MTT on stage 19, and finally Galibier followed by the Alpe. Of course.
omg. Why did they feel the need to go all the way down to Saint Jean de Maurienne before the final climb? How are they this averse to long range attacks...could always be 2015. Do the Col de ka Croix de Fer from 3 different sides
The rumoured Guzet-Neige could even be good for more than a simple MTF sprint:Regarding the Pyrenees, a Port de Pailhères - Ax 3 Domaines would work great as an early mountain stage.
omg. Why did they feel the need to go all the way down to Saint Jean de Maurienne before the final climb? How are they this averse to long range attacks...
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Well they only did Glandon on the first one, but still pretty silly. Glandon was the best stage design as well, lol.Not on one day, but on 3 separate days.
Gouvenou turned the Alps into the Croix de Fers
Well they only did Glandon on the first one, but still pretty silly. Glandon was the best stage design as well, lol.
Not going to happen. They like to have "suspense". That combo would mean one thing: "race is over".Regarding the Pyrenees, a Port de Pailhères - Ax 3 Domaines would work great as an early mountain stage.
Yeah was changed a few weeks before the Tour. Was supposed to be a remake of the 2011 stage.Wasn‘t the Galibier blocked by a landslide or something in 2015? I don‘t think it was supposed to be three Croix de Fers.
Yeah was changed a few weeks before the Tour. Was supposed to be a remake of the 2011 stage.
Most of those are massive detours.there were plenty other climbs that could have been used vs Croix de Fer
easily could have done Madeliene south, Mt Cenis, Montvergine, Lauteret before ADH
The landslide was on the section of descent shared by Lautaret and Galibier, at Lac du Chambon just east of the road to Sarenne. The only way of getting to AdH that year that wasn't via CdF/Glandon would have been up the valley road out of the Grenoble area, which is way worse.there were plenty other climbs that could have been used vs Croix de Fer
easily could have done Madeliene south, Mt Cenis, Montvergine, Lauteret before ADH
Could have done Madeleine south but only as far as the ski station. There are two south sides from La Chambre, because there's the one through Montgellafrey as well.Most of those are massive detours.
The simplest way would have just been Glandon from the hard side, which is just a much better climb than the CdF from the side they took anyway
I know, but I'm basically operating on the assumption that Govenou aren't gonna add climbs outside of getting from A to B that serve the same function as the Galibier did.Could have done Madeleine south but only as far as the ski station. There are two south sides from La Chambre, because there's the one through Montgellafrey as well.
Sample stage:
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Of course, that side of Croix de Fer is via Glandon, they could easily have incorporated it between Chaussy and Croix de Fer in stage 19 (would have been in the reverse direction from shown on that profile) or as a pair of climbs with Glandon instead of Croix de Fer on stage 20 in order to at least try to replicate the difficulty of Télégraphe and Galibier.
In a smaller race, potentially, you could go over Galibier and do the Sarenne approach like in the 2017 Dauphiné, joining the D211 between hairpins 3 and 4, then descending as far as hairpin 6 at Huez village and descending the road through Villard-Reculas down to Allemond, and shortening the flat part in the valley down to only about 8km before climbing Alpe d'Huez from the 'normal' route - there would be a good long gap of just over 30km between the descent of that small part of road that's handled in both directions so that should be perfectly safe especially given it's several kilometres up the Alpe d'Huez climb. I can't remember if there are any additional dangers to the Villard-Reculas road though, I know there are some horrendous sheer drops off of the Col de Solude road that make organisers wary of using it, as descending it in race conditions would be a problem.I know, but I'm basically operating on the assumption that Govenou aren't gonna add climbs outside of getting from A to B that serve the same function as the Galibier did.
Which now that I remember makes me extremely confused about the 2018 stage design when they added in 20-30 extra kms of bs to include the Lacets de Montvernier and climb the worse side of the CdF/Glandon.
But it's very telling about Alpe d'Huez that the best approach to it is probably simply to climb it twice or to climb Col de Solude on the opposite side of the valley and descend down to Ornon. Probably the only approach that leaves under 5km of flat, and Solude is a good climb, but it only really makes for a good double whammy of 30-40 minute climbs and not really queen stage material.