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Netserk

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OlavEH said:
I was thinking something like Cordon - Domancy - Cote des Amerands and the continue from the top of Amerands to Megeve. And preceeded by climbs like Croix de Fry, Mont Saxonnex and Romme.
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You cannot climb Domancy like that and connect to Amerands. And Romme would have to be from the "wrong" side.
 
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houtdffan

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Peyroteo94 said:
If we had the 2012 TdF as the 2026 TdF, the gap between Pogacar and his only rival (Vingegaard) would increase even more.
Of course Remco would be third and closer to Pogacar compared to 2024.
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Remco would be second in a 2012 route. That 3 ish minute gap between Remco and Vingo would be gone. Vingo wouldn't drop Remco on Touissuire and Remco would take minutes in the 2 proper length TTs
 
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YavorD

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houtdffan said:
Remco would be second in a 2012 route. That 3 ish minute gap between Remco and Vingo would be gone. Vingo wouldn't drop Remco on Touissuire and Remco would take minutes in the 2 proper length TTs
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Wait, are we saying that Vingegaard was 100% last year then?
I'd say no, so the gap is more like 5 minutes.

And even if we count it as 3, I would say 2 minutes per TT is a bit of a stretch (unless Vingegaard has an off day as in TDF) and it would be bad for Evenepoel to be honest.
It would make Vingegaard attack (hard on Grand Colombier and even Croix de Fer. He is dropping Evenepoel there and Evenepoel isn't coming back.

Ironically, it could work for Evenepoel if he only gains a minute on the first TT. One of them situations where more is actually less.
 
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houtdffan

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YavorD said:
Wait, are we saying that Vingegaard was 100% last year then?
I'd say no, so the gap is more like 5 minutes.

And even if we count it as 3, I would say 2 minutes per TT is a bit of a stretch (unless Vingegaard has an off day as in TDF) and it would be bad for Evenepoel to be honest.
It would make Vingegaard attack (hard on Grand Colombier and even Croix de Fer. He is dropping Evenepoel there and Evenepoel isn't coming back.

Ironically, it could work for Evenepoel if he only gains a minute on the first TT. One of them situations where more is actually less.
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Remco was also severely injured the same crash vingo was. Both werent at top shape
 
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YavorD

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houtdffan said:
Remco was also severely injured the same crash vingo was. Both werent at top shape
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Okay then, as you base your point on Evenepoel's performance in 2024, it's only fair if we use Vingegaard's as well. If Evenepoel only gained 37 seconds in 28(?)km, what makes you think he would gain 2 minutes in 41?
I'm still saying that less is actually good for Remco, but I think you kinda overrate the gap between Pog/Ving and Evenepoel in a GT TT.


P.s. Vingegaard was more severely injured. I think that's out of question.
 
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It's interesting the 2012 route is not remembered fondly but partially because of the way it was raced and the protagonists.

As for how it would pan out raced with the modern riders conjecture- which Vigno/Remco do we get. Vigno 2023 does not lose anywhere near the time Vigno 2025 does in the TTs but will we ever see that Vigno again post his 2024 crash.

Also the parcours would be raced differently - the stage after planche belle filles would be raced super aggressively now as would grand Colombiere. La Troussiere is not in itself a tough MTF but when raced hard as a stage it is plenty tough enough for some decent gaps.
 
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houtdffan

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Jan the Man said:
It's interesting the 2012 route is not remembered fondly but partially because of the way it was raced and the protagonists.

As for how it would pan out raced with the modern riders conjecture- which Vigno/Remco do we get. Vigno 2023 does not lose anywhere near the time Vigno 2025 does in the TTs but will we ever see that Vigno again post his 2024 crash.

Also the parcours would be raced differently - the stage after planche belle filles would be raced super aggressively now as would grand Colombiere. La Troussiere is not in itself a tough MTF but when raced hard as a stage it is plenty tough enough for some decent gaps.
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2012 would be a true Tour de France today

2 long flat ITTS with 3 really hard mountain stages. Plus, the two days in the Jura would have been raced flat out

Yes, we would have had the 1 Paycheux special we would all howl about, but I'd rather have 1 or 2 of those and bring back real TTs and mountain stages
 
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YavorD

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houtdffan said:
He couldn't drop him on Isola. touissuire is a very similar type of climb. A pure diesel climb
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Isola 2000 is actually harder than Couillole.
And Vingegaard dropped him.on Couillole, proper dieses climb if I remember correctly?So Vingegaard drops Evenepoel on diesel climbs as well.
Also, I don't know why you keep insisting on La Toussuire? If Vingegaard is a minute behind Evenepoel before that stage with a rather shallow Pyrenees and another 54 kilometres TT to come, do you really think he is wasting until La Toussuire?

Well, if you think that Vingegaard can't drop Evenepoel on Croix de Fer and open a big enough gap...

That said, the route is ****, but would've been raced better on todays peloton.
 
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OlavEH

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I think we need a cycling variant of Godwin's law:

As an online cycling discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler Remco vs Pog or Vingegaard approaches one.
 
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