Tour de l'Avenir 2013 (N.Cup)

[maltiv]

Froome might as well start planning his retirement already, Oskar Svendsen will eat him for breakfast in 2-3 years time

Insane performance so far, and he's only in his first year as a u23 rider! If only there were a long time trial...

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

I'm also extremely impressed by Merhawi Kudus Ghebrauibefhbjhimblabla.

Actually, partly because I expected mister VO2max to do well anyway, I'm more impressed by Merhawi Kudus than by Oskar Svendsen.

 

[jens_attacks]

Froome might as well start planning his retirement already, Oskar Svendsen will eat him for breakfast in 2-3 years time

that is until they will take froomey to a lab and they discover that his vo2 max is 145!

 

[will10]

that is until they will take froomey to a lab and they discover that his vo2 max is 145!

Only from February to July. In August it appears to be closer to 45 than 145

 

[Gloin22]

I'm also extremely impressed by Merhawi Kudus Ghebrauibefhbjhimblabla.

Actually, partly because I expected mister VO2max to do well anyway, I'm more impressed by Merhawi Kudus than by Oskar Svendsen.

Kudus is a typical climber, seen in Top 20 at Tour Ain before Avenir.

Svendsen is not.

Hence Svendsen results are more impressive so far. However Kudus could be first true African to challenge GT's. SIGN him up MTN!

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I'm also extremely impressed by Merhawi Kudus Ghebrauibefhbjhimblabla.

Actually, partly because I expected mister VO2max to do well anyway, I'm more impressed by Merhawi Kudus than by Oskar Svendsen.

why? kudus has far more talent than svendsen

 

[ToreBear]

why? kudus has far more talent than svendsen

What do you base that opinion on?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

I allways wonder how someone can claim that of two riders that both do very well in u23 races, 1 are clearly more talented than the other. Ryo does without a doubt have a good reason though

 

[maltiv]

I allways wonder how someone can claim that of two riders that both do very well in u23 races, 1 are clearly more talented than the other. Ryo does without a doubt have a good reason though

Well, today Svendsen became the youngest rider to be top 5 in l'Avenir this millenium

GC top 5 unchanged after today, Alaphilippe won from a breakaway.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Top 10 de l'étape :
1 Alaphilippe (France)
2 Mohoric (Slovénie)
3 A. Yates (Grande-Bretagne)
4 Skujins (Lettonie)
5 Konrad (Autriche)
6 Formolo (Italie)
7 Svendsen (Norvège)
8 Kozhatayev (Kazakhstan)
9 Fernandez (Espagne)
10 S. Yates (Grande-Bretagne)

Classement général final :
1 Fernandez (Espagne)
2 A. Yates (Grande-Bretagne) à 55''
3 Konrad (Autriche)
4 Kozhatayev (Kazakhstan)
5 Svendsen (Norvège)
6 Formolo (Italie)
7 Parra (Colombie)
8 Mannion (Etats-Unis)
9 Skujins (Lettonie)
10 S. Yates (Grande-Bretagne)

 

[JRanton]

Adam Yates is the first Brit to finish on the podium at L'Avenir since Robert Millar in '82, who finished 2nd behind a certain Greg LeMond as Paul Sherwen would say .

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Those early results pasted above don't reflect the fact he actually gapped the group at the top and took 7 seconds out of yellow.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

why? kudus has far more talent than svendsen

Of course it's always very uncertain how these young riders will develop over the years and how much potential they have, but it does appear to be this way.

I was expecting big things from guys like Svendsen and Mohoric, but I certainly wont be suprised if Kudus turns out to be the greatest cyclist from their generation!

But again, I'm not making any firm prediction, it's always uncertain to see how riders develop and I'm not familiar with the background of any of these cyclist, but presumably guys like Svendsen and Mohoric have been enrolled in serious racing at junior level and some sort of sports program as cycling talents that has made them get a very significant advantadge over Kudus, who has only come to Europe halfway through this season!

 

[ToreBear]

Of course it's always very uncertain how these young riders will develop over the years and how much potential they have, but it does appear to be this way.

I was expecting big things from guys like Svendsen and Mohoric, but I certainly wont be suprised if Kudus turns out to be the greatest cyclist from their generation!

But again, I'm not making any firm prediction, it's always uncertain to see how riders develop and I'm not familiar with the background of any of these cyclist, but presumably guys like Svendsen and Mohoric have been enrolled in serious racing at junior level and some sort of sports program as cycling talents that has made them get a very significant advantadge over Kudus, who has only come to Europe halfway through this season!

It could be Svendsen has an advantage in this area. Still I don't think he started actively cycling until he was 15 or 16 when he quit downhill skiing. But certainly from this period the training he got in Norway should be better than what Kudus got in Eritrea. Then again, the cycling season is much shorter in Norway, and races were he can use his climbing ability are AFAIK rare in Norway.

I don't know anything about Kudus, so it would be interesting if Ryo could provide some insights. But since Ryo has not commented further I'm just going to assume it's because K is ahead of S in the alphabet that he believes Kudus to be a bigger talent.

I have no idea one way or the other.

As for Svendsen, I was hoping for a good result, but I was not expecting, since his results this season have not showed much, and he focused until June on finishing High school which in Norway also includes a fair bit of partying in the run up to May 17th.

Also having read an article about him getting guidance on correct bike positioning when he joined Joker Merida, and needing a lot of work in that area, and the fact that he has not had much endurance training until he started actively cycling, I assumed we might not see much of him this year.

But I recently learned that racing in Norway allows him little opportunity to get results from his climbing skills. His attacks uphill would be quickly caught when the race flattened out again. Hence, looking at his results were more or less fruitless in judging his progression.

That's why I'm very pleased to see him perform now, and gives me another indication of how hard it is for an outsider to gauge progression.

I'm looking forward to seeing him in the tt in WCu23. His competition will also include those that are older than him, so I have no idea what to expect.

 

[maltiv]

It could be Svendsen has an advantage in this area. Still I don't think he started actively cycling until he was 15 or 16 when he quit downhill skiing. But certainly from this period the training he got in Norway should be better than what Kudus got in Eritrea. Then again, the cycling season is much shorter in Norway, and races were he can use his climbing ability are AFAIK rare in Norway.

I don't know anything about Kudus, so it would be interesting if Ryo could provide some insights. But since Ryo has not commented further I'm just going to assume it's because K is ahead of S in the alphabet that he believes Kudus to be a bigger talent.

I have no idea one way or the other.

As for Svendsen, I was hoping for a good result, but I was not expecting, since his results this season have not showed much, and he focused until June on finishing High school which in Norway also includes a fair bit of partying in the run up to May 17th.

Also having read an article about him getting guidance on correct bike positioning when he joined Joker Merida, and needing a lot of work in that area, and the fact that he has not had much endurance training until he started actively cycling, I assumed we might not see much of him this year.

But I recently learned that racing in Norway allows him little opportunity to get results from his climbing skills. His attacks uphill would be quickly caught when the race flattened out again. Hence, looking at his results were more or less fruitless in judging his progression.

That's why I'm very pleased to see him perform now, and gives me another indication of how hard it is for an outsider to gauge progression.

I'm looking forward to seeing him in the tt in WCu23. His competition will also include those that are older than him, so I have no idea what to expect.

Kudus has far more results this season, which I expect is Ryo's argument (in addition to the fact that he hates Norwegian riders). However, he'd then be ignoring the fact that 1) Svendsen has focused on finishing high school this year and 2) Svendsen has done zero races including mountains this year! It's not only the races in Norway, but the fact that his team, Joker-Merida, hasn't raced a single mountainous race this year.

So based on this race alone (which is the only race we can use to judge Svendsen's talent), Svendsen seems to be ahead of Kudus as he finished minutes ahead of him on GC, despite the lack of a long ITT.

But obviously it's almost impossible to say that x rider is more talented than y rider at this age, as we can't know how far they've come in their development. I think it's safe to say that they're both huge talents though!

 

[ToreBear]

Kudus has far more results this season, which I expect is Ryo's argument (in addition to the fact that he hates Norwegian riders). However, he'd then be ignoring the fact that 1) Svendsen has focused on finishing high school this year and 2) Svendsen has done zero races including mountains this year! It's not only the races in Norway, but the fact that his team, Joker-Merida, hasn't raced a single mountainous race this year.

So based on this race alone (which is the only race we can use to judge Svendsen's talent), Svendsen seems to be ahead of Kudus as he finished minutes ahead of him on GC, despite the lack of a long ITT.

But obviously it's almost impossible to say that x rider is more talented than y rider at this age, as we can't know how far they've come in their development. I think it's safe to say that they're both huge talents though!

Thanks, though I have the impression that he hates all the riders who aren't Colombian, but with so much hate it's difficult to find out if some are more hated than others.

My guess is that Joker-Merida will try to get more mountainous races next year. I think they just signed a junior with uphill potential, and with Breen going to Lotto they would probably focus less on races that suited him.