Tour de San Luis 2016

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Gloin22 said:
GuyIncognito said:
jaylew said:
It's going to be fun watching Gaviria v Ewan for the next decade.

Ewan said last week he knows he'll never beat everyone in a flat sprint, he doesn't have the top speed for that. Says that even sprinting flat out in the slipstream of someone like Greipel or Kittel he still loses ground, so forget about ever coming around them.

He explained he'll try to do the same as Matthews, focus on classics and sprints that are slightly uphill or at the end of selective stages. He was better than Matthews at that as a youth and also reasonable in the time trial.

Greipel and Cav are slowly coming to end of their peak, only Kittel is there as mega pure sprinter. Others..Ewan should be beating already if not 1 year more..

Ewan has big chance to dominate the flat sprints there's not that many pure sprinters upcoming anyway.. , it's a dying breed it seems, more and more races require to be slightly versatile and better climber..

Who's there? Danny Van poppel, Mareczko, Bonifazio? Lol none of these are anyway better than Ewan on pure speed at all.

I'll be interested to see how DVP progresses within essentially the same structure that produced Cav.
 
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Zinoviev Letter said:
GuyIncognito said:
jaylew said:
It's going to be fun watching Gaviria v Ewan for the next decade.

Ewan said last week he knows he'll never beat everyone in a flat sprint, he doesn't have the top speed for that. Says that even sprinting flat out in the slipstream of someone like Greipel or Kittel he still loses ground, so forget about ever coming around them.

He explained he'll try to do the same as Matthews, focus on classics and sprints that are slightly uphill or at the end of selective stages. He was better than Matthews at that as a youth and also reasonable in the time trial.

Ewan is 21. Nobody has any idea of what the upper limits of his potential are in flat sprints. Including him. He is completely right to note that the top three are simply faster than him at the moment. But he is faster than any of them were at 21.

Well, the same things where said about Sagan, too. And now people have to realize that he will never beat the likes of Kittel, Cav or Greipel in a flat finish. He'll always get second because of smart following. There's no shame in that, cause he can do a lot of other things. Same goes for Ewan. And I think it is good that he knows that already so he can focus on the things where he really excells at.
 
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Akuryo said:
Zinoviev Letter said:
GuyIncognito said:
jaylew said:
It's going to be fun watching Gaviria v Ewan for the next decade.

Ewan said last week he knows he'll never beat everyone in a flat sprint, he doesn't have the top speed for that. Says that even sprinting flat out in the slipstream of someone like Greipel or Kittel he still loses ground, so forget about ever coming around them.

He explained he'll try to do the same as Matthews, focus on classics and sprints that are slightly uphill or at the end of selective stages. He was better than Matthews at that as a youth and also reasonable in the time trial.

Ewan is 21. Nobody has any idea of what the upper limits of his potential are in flat sprints. Including him. He is completely right to note that the top three are simply faster than him at the moment. But he is faster than any of them were at 21.

Well, the same things where said about Sagan, too. And now people have to realize that he will never beat the likes of Kittel, Cav or Greipel in a flat finish. He'll always get second because of smart following. There's no shame in that, cause he can do a lot of other things. Same goes for Ewan. And I think it is good that he knows that already so he can focus on the things where he really excells at.

Exactly that was said about Sagan because exactly that was true of Sagan. You can't tell how much a "child" super talent will improve in a particular specialty when they are still a very young kid. They might be very early developers who aren't going to get much better, or they could be a dominant champion in waiting. We can't know from the outside and, crucially, they can't know either.

Ewan doesn't "know already" what the upper limit of his development as a field sprinter is. He has assumptions already, based on his experience as a child prodigy, which may or may not turn out to be justified. The same was true of Sagan. Now that Sagan is a bit older, where he fits in as a sprinter has been clarified by experience and physical development and it turns out he isn't the next Cavendish or Kittel. But that was not clear when he was a kid, and those who guessed "right" were guessing just as much as those who guessed "wrong".

If you really could tell how talented kids will develop as adults, the sport would be a lot more predictable.
 
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Zinoviev Letter said:
Akuryo said:
Zinoviev Letter said:
GuyIncognito said:
jaylew said:
It's going to be fun watching Gaviria v Ewan for the next decade.

Ewan said last week he knows he'll never beat everyone in a flat sprint, he doesn't have the top speed for that. Says that even sprinting flat out in the slipstream of someone like Greipel or Kittel he still loses ground, so forget about ever coming around them.

He explained he'll try to do the same as Matthews, focus on classics and sprints that are slightly uphill or at the end of selective stages. He was better than Matthews at that as a youth and also reasonable in the time trial.

Ewan is 21. Nobody has any idea of what the upper limits of his potential are in flat sprints. Including him. He is completely right to note that the top three are simply faster than him at the moment. But he is faster than any of them were at 21.

Well, the same things where said about Sagan, too. And now people have to realize that he will never beat the likes of Kittel, Cav or Greipel in a flat finish. He'll always get second because of smart following. There's no shame in that, cause he can do a lot of other things. Same goes for Ewan. And I think it is good that he knows that already so he can focus on the things where he really excells at.

Exactly that was said about Sagan because exactly that was true of Sagan. You can't tell how much a "child" super talent will improve in a particular specialty when they are still a very young kid. They might be very early developers who aren't going to get much better, or they could be a dominant champion in waiting. We can't know from the outside and, crucially, they can't know either.

Ewan doesn't "know already" what the upper limit of his development as a field sprinter is. He has assumptions already, based on his experience as a child prodigy, which may or may not turn out to be justified. The same was true of Sagan. Now that Sagan is a bit older, where he fits in as a sprinter has been clarified by experience and physical development and it turns out he isn't the next Cavendish or Kittel. But that was not clear when he was a kid, and those who guessed "right" were guessing just as much as those who guessed "wrong".

If you really could tell how talented kids will develop as adults, the sport would be a lot more predictable.

I agree. After all, no one saw Kittel becoming the fastest sprinter in the world as he was known primarily as a TTer. Interesting that Gav and Ewan were born about one month apart.
 
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jaylew said:
I agree. After all, no one saw Kittel becoming the fastest sprinter in the world as he was known primarily as a TTer. Interesting that Gav and Ewan were born about one month apart.
Yep. It's funny how things turn out. Cav always liked the classics but has really excelled at stage races. Wiggins' results never quite matched the classicomano persona he was always aping. One time heirs-of-Indurain Valverde and Rodriguez have just one GT win betwixt them yet ammassed a load of classics and stage wins (they've at least solidified their joint claim to the best post-Big-Mig WC podium mug). Meanwhile, McEwen is only a couple of inches rangier than Ewan, yet he won three green jerseys (capping two of them off in Paris) with a couple of dozen GT stages thrown in. Vedremo. The juggling of ambitions (Orica GC triplets on one side, Kittel on the other) might be a fun little twist, if current trends hold. The sands of time tend turn in jolts and clumps, don't they? 1990 seems to be the year things went up, in 1994 maybe they started to plateau a bit. Too bad Van der Poel was born in '95, then we'd actually be onto something.

Anyway, I see we've settled on Gav and Gxyzxyz (for reasons that like will never cease eluding me) as the appropiate sobriquets. Maybe he'll earn himself something better if he manages to win something in the tri-state (Italy/Spain/France) area? And at least we didn't recycle "G", so I've got to be grateful for that.
 
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GuyIncognito said:
jaylew said:
It's going to be fun watching Gaviria v Ewan for the next decade.

Ewan said last week he knows he'll never beat everyone in a flat sprint, he doesn't have the top speed for that. Says that even sprinting flat out in the slipstream of someone like Greipel or Kittel he still loses ground, so forget about ever coming around them.

He explained he'll try to do the same as Matthews, focus on classics and sprints that are slightly uphill or at the end of selective stages. He was better than Matthews at that as a youth and also reasonable in the time trial.
Matthews was very good as a young rider though, he did win the WC. Also he would be better than Ewan in an ITT.
 
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Karaev1 said:
Grosu 4th! I know that is not a lot but it is great to have a cyclist from my country to cheer for! What do you guys think is Gav already faster then Cav? :)

One of them was riding for Etixx last year and got exchanged for the other one. That should answer your question. :p
 
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Jspear said:
Anyone know what's going on right now? It's real hard to follow since I don't understand Spanish.

What I understood: about 15 to go, Koning will win (most plausible) and also:
Kwiat will win, Sagan crashed, Gavira gave up, Sagan made a front flip and Donald Trump is a woman....that chat is honestly pure ***