Tour Down Under Stage 2: Lobethal - Stirling 148km

[just some guy]

http://www.cyclingfever.com/video.html?detp=view&video_idd=NTE2Nw==

Judge for yourself who's fault it is. I don't think you can blame van Hummel for this.

watching I agree.

 

[sublimit]

Somebody hits that red car very hard and Its hard to say who's fault that crash is.

Wasn't Cavs fault.

 

[just some guy]

Somebody hits that red car very hard and Its hard to say who's fault that crash is.

Wasn't Cavs fault.

It is always Cav Fault.

see Cav was not there so the other sprinters wanted to challenge for the win as Cav was not there - mayhem - Cav´s fault

 

[sublimit]

It is always Cav Fault.

see Cav was not there so the other sprinters wanted to challenge for the win as Cav was not there - mayhem - Cav´s fault

If the crash was on a direction deviation or on a roundabout I might have possibly blamed him, despite him not being there.

Like a big pile up/ crash via proxy.

 

[Tuarts]

How is it not Van Hummel's fault? It was his wheel that hit the rider in front of him. It was an accident anyway so it's not like there's "blame" to be had.

 

[Richeypen]

How is it not Van Hummel's fault? It was his wheel that hit the rider in front of him. It was an accident anyway so it's not like there's "blame" to be had.

Because he kept his line. The rider in front swung across him and clipped his front wheel moving into a space that wasnt there.

 

[Ferminal]

Stage 2 thread anyone?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

How is it not Van Hummel's fault? It was his wheel that hit the rider in front of him. It was an accident anyway so it's not like there's "blame" to be had.

Like I said in the other topic. It's just a normal race accident. By the looks of it started when Van Hummel touched the wheel of the rider in front.
Spectators played no role other than they were on the place they should be, and unfortunately riders swerved towards them and Roelandts hit a spectator because of that.

Not much you can do except, like I also said in the other topic, move the public back a few meters in flat finals because of the speeds.

 

[Panda Claws]

I am hoping Greipel takes this one too and I would also love to see either Blythe or GVA sprint because I wonder how good they are.

 

[TheArt]

Because he kept his line. The rider in front swung across him and clipped his front wheel moving into a space that wasnt there.

I absolutely agree. Van Hummel just had bad luck. The riders in front of him swung to the right to anticipate to the upcomming Lotto train. Kenny's wheel was on the right side of the rider in front of him and when that rider also moved to the right Kenny just couldn't escape.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I am hoping Greipel takes this one too and I would also love to see either Blythe or GVA sprint because I wonder how good they are.

I think Greipel is going to win this stage, maybe another one and overall.

 

[El Pistolero]

http://www.cyclingfever.com/video.html?detp=view&video_idd=NTE2Nw==

Judge for yourself who's fault it is. I don't think you can blame van Hummel for this.

Doesn't change the fact that they're both dangerous sprinters however.

 

[Froome19]

Doesn't change the fact that they're both dangerous sprinters however.

Even if you could blame him riding in a chain at 1km to go doesn't make you a dangerous sprinter its only when you do something like pettachi did in the sprint that you get determined a dangerous sprinter

 

[El Pistolero]

Even if you could blame him riding in a chain at 1km to go doesn't make you a dangerous sprinter its only when you do something like pettachi did in the sprint that you get determined a dangerous sprinter

I don't blame him for this crash. But I still think he's a dangerous sprinter. Feillu was like a kamikaze at the Tour and Van Hummel never keeps his line during a sprint.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I disagree with Pisti that Greipel's a better climber than Farrar (or 2009 era Cavendish, but that climbing Cavendish hasn't resurfaced in a while), but the Gorilla did win a more difficult finish than this a couple of years ago, the uphill finish into Lagos in the 2010 Volta a Portugal, in dreadful conditions. Him and Roelandts pulled a few seconds out of the field, and the rest of the top finishers on the stage - Samuel Sánchez, Jens Keukeleire, Björn Leukemans, José Joaquín Rojas, Joaquím Rodríguez, Johan Coenen, Benoît Vaugrenard and Francesco Reda - shows that he can be at home against the kind of rider he'll face off with tomorrow.

I hope that this stage is raced more like 2010 than 2009 and 2011. Then, André was 22nd. The top 10 then shows what this stage can be like if raced hard; it's still a sprint, but people like Valverde, Evans, Sagan and Finetto are the competitors. Nevertheless, Cardoso - a sprinter - won, and the likes of Roelandts, McEwen, Hunter and Brown are also in the top 15.

 

[theyoungest]

I disagree with Pisti that Greipel's a better climber than Farrar (or 2009 era Cavendish, but that climbing Cavendish hasn't resurfaced in a while), but the Gorilla did win a more difficult finish than this a couple of years ago, the uphill finish into Lagos in the 2010 Volta a Portugal, in dreadful conditions. Him and Roelandts pulled a few seconds out of the field, and the rest of the top finishers on the stage - Samuel Sánchez, Jens Keukeleire, Björn Leukemans, José Joaquín Rojas, Joaquím Rodríguez, Johan Coenen, Benoît Vaugrenard and Francesco Reda - shows that he can be at home against the kind of rider he'll face off with tomorrow.

None of these guys are sprinters? Okay, Keukeleire is, but not a very good one.

I hope that this stage is raced more like 2010 than 2009 and 2011. Then, André was 22nd. The top 10 then shows what this stage can be like if raced hard; it's still a sprint, but people like Valverde, Evans, Sagan and Finetto are the competitors. Nevertheless, Cardoso - a sprinter - won, and the likes of Roelandts, McEwen, Hunter and Brown are also in the top 15.

I don't know if last year's result had to do with the stage not being raced as hard, or with the fact that Valverde, Evans, and Sagan weren't there.

 

[will10]

None of these guys are sprinters? Okay, Keukeleire is, but not a very good one.

Exactly, was too tough for "proper" sprinters and he beat some good puncheurs who you'd normally back to beat him on a proper tough finish.

Here's a video by the way (it was Algarve not Portugal in fact) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cP7zJ_FtiCo#t=327s Tough looking finish.

 

[theyoungest]

Exactly, was too tough for "proper" sprinters and he beat some good puncheurs who you'd normally back to beat him on a proper tough finish.

Here's a video by the way (it was Algarve not Portugal in fact) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cP7zJ_FtiCo#t=327s Tough looking finish.

Yes, I've seen it at the time, but I reckon guys like Goss, Degenkolb, Matthews could have given him a run for the money there.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Oops, of all the people to mix the Voltas up!!!

Anyway, though the likes of Goss, Degenkolb and Matthews could certainly have competed, the lineup Greipel beat shows that the finish wasn't ideally suited to him, and so writing him off completely is perhaps premature. Although I wouldn't be surprised if he planted it, this is still a sprinter's course, just a tougher one.

 

[hfer07]

based on the link with the detailed profile by Ferminal, I foresee a sprint finish-unless another undesirable incident takes place...
Freire perhaps? Goss, JJrojas-even Gorilla can repeat...

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I don't blame him for this crash. But I still think he's a dangerous sprinter. Feillu was like a kamikaze at the Tour and Van Hummel never keeps his line during a sprint.

It's not like Boonen is a fair sprinter tho... if he is threatened he always changes line as well.

It's a normal (top) sprinter thing imho.

 

[Froome19]

None of these guys are sprinters? Okay, Keukeleire is, but not a very good one.


I don't know if last year's result had to do with the stage not being raced as hard, or with the fact that Valverde, Evans, and Sagan weren't there.

If rojas isn't a sprinter then what is he? that type of finish should have suited him perfectly.

 

[maltiv]

Oops, of all the people to mix the Voltas up!!!

Anyway, though the likes of Goss, Degenkolb and Matthews could certainly have competed, the lineup Greipel beat shows that the finish wasn't ideally suited to him, and so writing him off completely is perhaps premature. Although I wouldn't be surprised if he planted it, this is still a sprinter's course, just a tougher one.

Going by the odds, EBH is the big favorite for tomorrow followed by Greipel. Greipel could certainly survive the hills if he's in decent climbing form.

My prediction:

1. EBH
2. Greipel
3. Matthews
4. GVA
5. Rojas

 

[iZnoGouD]

All my money is on Daniele Bennati

Don't disappoint me son

 

[Kwibus]

All my money is on Daniele Bennati

Don't disappoint me son

Bye bye money.

He will probably end up between 2nd and 8th.