Tour Down Under Stage 2: Lobethal - Stirling 148km

[Kwibus]

Sorry, misread your post. Still, those aren't enough examples to put him ahead of Goss (won a uphill sprint in Giro) or EBH (uphill sprint in TDF) in my opinion. You know you're lacking results when one of your first examples is a 2nd place in TdP, followed by a 2nd in ToB

Ofcourse, but Matthews has only raced 1 year at the highest level and during that year and at the start of this year he shows that he is 100% serious business in an uphill sprint.
I'm sure he is one of the best, but there are quite a few one of the best

 

[El Pistolero]

He's not one of the best until he does something in races like Amstel Gold Race, Flèche Wallonne, uphill GT stages, etc

 

[Panda Claws]

He's not one of the best until he does something in races like Amstel Gold Race, Flèche Wallonne, uphill GT stages, etc

Amstel is a whole different kind of uphill not to mention FW.

 

[will10]

He's not one of the best until he does something in races like Amstel Gold Race, Flèche Wallonne, uphill GT stages, etc

The last one yes but I think you've missed the point with the first 2.

 

[theyoungest]

It's just a way to bring Philippe Gilbert back into the discussion. We're all meant to discuss Philippe Gilbert anywhere, at any point in time.

 

[Kwibus]

He's not one of the best until he does something in races like Amstel Gold Race, Flèche Wallonne, uphill GT stages, etc

10 characters.

 

[Panda Claws]

Let's just end the discussion by saying that on finishes like the Cauberg there is no-one better than Gilbert.

 

[theyoungest]

Let's just end the discussion by saying that on finishes like the Cauberg there is no-one better than Gilbert.

Yes. And no one farts better than my dog. Neither is relevant to the discussion.

 

[c&cfan]

Let's just end the discussion by saying that on finishes like the Cauberg there is no-one better than Gilbert.

besides valverde, obviously.

 

[Panda Claws]

besides valverde, obviously.

Who won the AGR how many times?

 

[c&cfan]

Who won the AGR how many times?

you have to think about motivation.

he is a multi time LBL winner, unlike that funny haired belgian whose name i can't remember.

 

[El Pistolero]

It's just a way to bring Philippe Gilbert back into the discussion. We're all meant to discuss Philippe Gilbert anywhere, at any point in time.

Stop crying like a little baby when someone criticizes something related to Rabobank. Jebus Christ. Matthews has shown nothing in uphill sprints in big races, end of story. He's not one of the best, he's a bright young talent though. Leave it at that instead of making a total fool of your self and proclaiming him the best at something while he has proven little so far.

The only way you can make an argument is to strike at the person instead of what is actually being said. It's down right pathetic.

Thank you.

 

[theyoungest]

Everyone seems to understand the discussion except you?

Hint: the reason that Hushovd is mentioned frequently is not because he's so good in the Amstel Gold Race and Fleche.

 

[El Pistolero]

Everyone seems to understand the discussion except you?

Hint: the reason that Hushovd is mentioned frequently is not because he's so good in the Amstel Gold Race and Fleche.

I get the discussion, just find your use of terminology ridiculous. Calling him the best uphill sprinter as long as it's not too uphill apparantly.

Hushovd won the WC on an uphill sprint, 10 Tour stages, 3(?) Vuelta stages. Tell me, what did Matthews win with the elites?

Is Greipel a better sprinter than Cavendish because he beat him at the Tour down Under?

Ps: Was is that hard to give this post instead of the nonsense in your earlier post?

 

[will10]

Stop crying like a little baby when someone criticizes something related to Rabobank. Jebus Christ. Matthews has shown nothing in uphill sprints in big races, end of story. He's not one of the best, he's a bright young talent though. Leave it at that instead of making a total fool of your self and proclaiming him the best at something while he has proven little so far.

The only way you can make an argument is to strike at the person instead of what is actually being said. It's down right pathetic.

Thank you.

1. Well done on making a post without using the word "Philippe" or "Gilbert". We're all very proud of you.

2. Amstel Gold or Liege have nothing to do with this discussion so why introduce them?

 

[El Pistolero]

1. Well done on making a post without using the word "Philippe" or "Gilbert". We're all very proud of you.

2. Amstel Gold or Liege have nothing to do with this discussion so why introduce them?

Actually, Liège finish would fit in this discussion. Only problem is of course that no sprinter would survive that far in Liége except perhaps Freire who was 10th there once.

Surely the best uphill sprinters should be capable of doing well on both the moderate gradients and the higher gradients? Hence, I mentioned them. Hushovd for example can manage both really well these days. Valverde is someone else who is capable of doing that. Freire as well, but the Cauberg is obviously too steep for him(getting 6th isn't bad however).

But I'll rephrase my self if you insist: what has Matthews proven so far in uphill sprints of Grand Tours? To be the best, you need to have competed with the best in the best races during their best form.

 

[Kwibus]

Right.

ehm.

Well there certainly was a huge crowd today. Just checked stage 2 summary and one of things that got my attention was a huge crowd at the finish line.

Keep it up Australia

 

[briztoon]

Can anyone tell me what bike Will Clarke is riding.

 

[Kwibus]

Can anyone tell me what bike Will Clarke is riding.

A Fuji.

It's hard to see, but you can read Fuji on the bike.
Fuji is the bike sponsor of Will Clarke's team Champion System.

 

[c&cfan]

Actually, Liège finish would fit in this discussion. Only problem is of course that no sprinter would survive that far in Liége except perhaps Freire who was 10th there once.

Surely the best uphill sprinters should be capable of doing well on both the moderate gradients and the higher gradients? Hence, I mentioned them. Hushovd for example can manage both really well these days. Valverde is someone else who is capable of doing that. Freire as well, but the Cauberg is obviously too steep for him(getting 6th isn't bad however).

But I'll rephrase my self if you insist: what has Matthews proven so far in uphill sprints of Grand Tours? To be the best, you need to have competed with the best in the best races during their best form.

funny... you spelled gilbert wrong.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I certainly hope GVA has improved his climbing because his sprinting was quite ordinary yesterday. These types of stages should suit him and once he went he seemed to go backwards.

 

[El Pistolero]

I certainly hope GVA has improved his climbing because his sprinting was quite ordinary yesterday. These types of stages should suit him and once he went he seemed to go backwards.

It's the Tour Down Under, if you're not a sprinter, you don't want to be good here. He can't hold a peak from TDU till LBL.

 

[PCutter]

It's the Tour Down Under, if you're not a sprinter, you don't want to be good here. He can't hold a peak from TDU till LBL.

Does he really need peak form to carry water bottles for Phil?

 

[El Pistolero]

Does he really need peak form to carry water bottles for Phil?

He needs some power in his arms to throw those water bottles towards Bala Verde

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

He's not one of the best until he does something in races like Amstel Gold Race, Flèche Wallonne, uphill GT stages, etc

*FACEPALM*

amstel gold race is up down all stage long, by the time one gets to the finished it might not even matter if he can sprint uphill cause his legs are gone.

you know, agr is for one day specialists just like fw, lbl etc. No relevance at all.

No one said Matthews was an ardennes specialist. Uphill sprinter, big difference kiddo.

Stop crying like a little baby when someone criticizes something related to Rabobank. Jebus Christ. Matthews has shown nothing in uphill sprints in big races, end of story. He's not one of the best, he's a bright young talent though. Leave it at that instead of making a total fool of your self and proclaiming him the best at something while he has proven little so far.

The only way you can make an argument is to strike at the person instead of what is actually being said. It's down right pathetic.

Thank you.

lol read again he wasnt defending rabo, we all know rabo is flawed and a pile of fail.

Just attacking your logic, if one might call it that.
You know agr =/= uphill sprinter criteria.

by your logic who ever wins on saturday might aswell be labelled the best climber in the peloton. can't wait